Works righteousness.

I don’t know you tell us, why do you do this?

There is nothing like the pride of a religious person, it’s prety much all they have, if they let their pride go even a little. They will have to face reality, and it’s not a good picture

It’s not about taking sides; it’s about Truth, to which your ego inhibits you to see. On another note, you believe we are saved to do good works, but do you believe we are saved for any other reason?

Your first mistake among many.

I was helping the dude; it’s called constructive criticism, but of course you blind guides see things incorrectly.

I should not have been so blunt to you. It just made me respond too quickly, because I have been put down, by people on this forum, for my poor spelling, Sorry.

POV
Do ppl really have this much trouble if and when they read a book as they seem to have reading others comments?

Me thinks they get in toooo big of a hurry to rebut or rebuke the other.
BE SWIFT TO HEAR AND SLOW TO SPEAK..........

I referenced the Son of God's instructions...you counter with an apostle's actions who still had fleshy weaknesses and then call the Messiah's instructions a cop out.

Your point was about the Father...now you're switching to the kids. We were talking about the father.


At all? I found agreement with things you said. The fact that you can't, when you said some of the same things, may hint at your heart still being unregenerated.

The pharisees didn't teach sinless perfection. That wasn't their issue.

In Matthew 23 the Messiah says to the Pharisees woe to you:

13 Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!

15 Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!

16 Woe to you, you blind guides!

23 Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!

25 Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!

27 Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!

29 Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!

Seven times He says woe, and six of those times He calls them hypocrites. What problem did the Messiah have with the teachers of the law?

Can you be sure you hold the correct doctrine here if you're not accurate about the Messiah's basic grievance with the pharisees?

I direct focus to the Messiah and you say I'm focused on myself. Are you sure you're not projecting onto me what you see in yourself?

I follow what scripture says...this is what I believe.

Ephesians 2:10
For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do

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I give all the glory to God in Christ Jesus, but you wouldn’t know that because we have not had much direct dialogue together.

Seems this question was embedded in my quote on your post somehow so I missed it...

As I recall, the good samaritan was a parable the Messiah was using to explain the hypocrisy of the pharisees. That was their issue. They acted all faithful but when the rubber hit the road in real life interactions and situations with other people not like them, they didn't practice what they often preached.

Seems history repeats itself very often, in these threads especially.

The person who can still treat others with love, even those who are not like them, is the one who is justified like the Samaritan would've been. The proof of that justification was the fruit he expressed through his actions. If he didn't act to help but walked by like the rest, the Messiah would've grouped him with the others: all talk, and no action.

...and yet you've determined I'm egocentric. A bit hypocritical ain't it? Truth is a double-edged sword

I saw a little too much of yourself in a few of your posts. Since then I’ve seen a little more Jesus. Yay! 😀

Seven Woes on the Teachers of the Law and the Pharisees

13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. [14] [b]

15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

16 “Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’ 17 You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18 You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’ 19 You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21 And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22 And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.

23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’[c]”

Lol well the Messiah's saying is true...

"Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand"

believes ALL things, hopes ALL things, endures ALL things.


does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth.


1 Corinthians 13

Hopefully you’ll embrace that regarding your previous incorrect focus.

Well since your doctrine matches that more of the Pharisee that christ

I would heed the woe to you

I believe there is lack of understanding here based on a false premises and word meanings.

For example if I asked what the difference between eternal life and being born from above what would you say?

If I asked what are you saved from in Ephesian 2, and what is the grace that saves what would you say.

If I asked what is salvation what would ya say? And what are people saved from?

If I asked how is one justified, or what comes first regeneration or justification what would ya say.

And you may answer based on your knowledge of a doctrine.

But what does scripture say. SOMETIMES WE MUST READ THE BIBLE FOR OURSELVES WITH AS BEST WE CAN ON A BLANK SLATE. OTHERWISE WE ARE ACCEPTING ANOTHERS LENSES.
AND WE END UP INTERPRETING FROM THAT LENSE AND HAVE NEVER COME TO CHECK FOR OURSELVES IF 9×9=81.

DOES SCRIPTURE EVER SAY he saved us so that we can have heaven when we leave this earth? Even though I better make sure I say that that is essential.

Is grace still grace if I have to open the door for my favor?
Is all grace without effort?
Why has grace come to mean that there is no effort involved?

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin.