Back-loading Works into the Gospel:

Did you create this? It's pretty helpful to visualize the different positions. Thanks.

We call God, Lord. Jesus-Yeshua is God-Yahweh.

In the Hebrew it would be Adon. This may be translated as Lord or Master. This title was conferred upon people of renown, though not to the degree it was used in referring to our Maker.

The problem with " grieving over sin " as an indicator is that people question " am i grieving enough " . Atheists, Jehovah witnesses , Mormons, Catholics have committed suicide over " grieving over their sin "

Whilst i do agree with you on many other things . You are doing what the OP states , with respect . You are back loading.

Nope, its from the Internet

With permission, can i use this on another forum please?

24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.

25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,

26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?

29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,

30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.

Too, too funny. Just read another Thread, and can not help but laugh as to how it applies to this Thread.

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/is-it-ok-to-question-church-doctrine.196034/

Pre crucifixion.

1 john 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. [ This tells us that we are not to commit sin,]
3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. [This tells us if we choose to sin, we are choosing to be lost], [neither do we know him if we will choose to sin. [ to sin is denying the faith.]
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[ this is telling us not to let no one deceive us, that we can commit sin and still be saved].
[ And that being righteous is obeying God, like YESUAH said he OBEYED ]
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[This is telling us if we will commit sin when we know that it is sin, that we belong to Satan
and not one of GOD's Saved ] [And that YESUAH came to show us, that through faith we can
overcome committing SIN] [ and he came to destroy the works of the devil that we are doing]
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
[this is telling us that if we are committing sin, that we have not came to the point of being saved]
HEBREWS 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

The example given by James is this:

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

If one gives clothes and food to the needy, this proves their salvation? How often? If I fail to do this, it proves I’m not really saved? How much works does one need to prove his salvation? And who are we proving it to? Other believers?

Imo I think what we look at as works is really in reality obedience.
Obedience is how we serve the Lord.
Seeking the Lord and his righteousness is a redirection. Not for self but for God and others.
Trusting the Lord will provide for us as we provide for others.
Looking for ways to bless someone is a mirror image of God imo.
It is your father's ( good pleasure) to give you the kingdom.

I believe to much emphasis is made on one person's ability to be that person first that God has called you to be then go out and show your faith. I believe you should show your faith first to become that person God's called you to be.
Jesus taught that if one is trustworthy with few much will be added.

2 Timothy 4

2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and

encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when

people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own

desires, they will gather around them a great number of

teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn

their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, keep your

head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge

all the duties of your ministry.

There's no need to reduce this to the ridiculous. James uses just one example. There are hundreds of others you could come up with (if you were serious).

So you are another one who does not really like the full and true Gospel. People who cherry pick verses and ignore the truth do more harm than good, and mislead others.

The Lord Jesus Christ Himself personifies the Gospel. Christ Himself is the Gospel. And what were the first words which He preached as recorded?

From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. (Mt 4:17).

And this is exactly what John the Baptist had said: In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. (Mt. 3:1,2)

But the message did not change on the day of Pentecost, when Peter preached the Gospel under the power and inspiration of the Holy Spirit: Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)

And shortly after that he said the very same thing: Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; (Acts 3:19)

And for those who imagine that Paul preached another Gospel, we have these words from Paul: And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent... And how I [Paul] kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house, Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.(Acts 17:30; 20:20,21)

So while Christ and the apostles *front-loaded* the Gospel with the commandment to repent, Christians who *know better* imagine this is back-loading the Gospel! Thus Easy Believism has come to dominate evangelical churches.

If a preacher fails to preach repentance for the remission of sins, and the necessity of Christian baptism and good works after salvation, he is simply tickling the ears of his hearers.

My point was, if I give to the needy this proves I’m saved. No amount of works proves one is saved. And who are we proving it to?

Not so. Even the apostle John says exactly what James says, and in fact makes good works the evidence of salvation: But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? ... Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.( 1 John 3:17; 4:7,8)
(1) Ourselves, (2) God and Christ, (3) Christian brothers and sisters, and (4) the unbelieving world.

You cannot isolate the word ' repent ' and then mash them all together out of their context. There is a context to each usage of the word . Change their minds from what ? And do you mean by ' easy believing ' what ever it is i probably agree with you .

' Full and true Gospel " is this a verse . Full and true good news ?

This is also known as ' Lordship salvation '