IS SIN A CHOICE?

I think that prior to accepting Christ we are all subject to sinning. After accepting Christ who paid the price for our sins so that we may not have to be subject to sinning, it then becomes a choice whether to sin or not to sin.

Yes many sins are definitely choice based..Some sins are more subtle like motives..we can have sinful motives yet not be fully aware of them at times...and motives can be developed over time from life experiences,fears,,selfish ambitions,pride ect...I think the classic is doing the right thing but for totally the wrong reasons..

I agree with you that we can be unaware of some more subtle sin motives. However, there are those sins which we are aware of being in the wrong direction, which we willfully continue to choose to do. We all will have to overcome our obvious sins at some point, or at the end we will have willfully chosen the flesh over the Spirit.

I agree with you that we can be unaware of some more subtle sin motives. However, there are those sins which we are aware of being in the wrong direction, which we willfully continue to choose to do. We all will have to overcome our obvious sins at some point, or at the end we will have willfully chosen the flesh over the Spirit.

I agree with you that we can be unaware of some more subtle sin motives. However, there are those sins which we are aware of being in the wrong direction, which we willfully continue to choose to do. We all will have to overcome our obvious sins at some point, or at the end we will have willfully chosen the flesh over the Spirit.

Its interesting that God sees our motives even when we are still choosing a course of action that we know is clearly wrong..we almost become self deceived into thinking ita all gonna be ok (like damsons thought process when he compromised with deliah)
and that there won't be a consequence of our actions.
Sometimes there isnt a heavy consequence in that sense..but other times there is...
like having an affair,stealing money and such like....some have unfortunately suffered loss as a result..

While currently there may not be a heavy consequence to our willful continuing to sin; the Lord prunes every tree (of their errors) that continues to abide in Him. I imagine this means, that if we continue to abide in Christ, we will then wilfully choose the Spirit over the flesh, which the Lord will then continue to prune away even those sins we are unaware of.

Just when I think you and your friend couldn't possibly say less you fool me by saying more. And every time you say more you say less!!!

Hi just saw your post and I get the essence if what you mean definitely..coz jesus was tempted but never sinned.
So being tempted just means one is presented with the opportunity to sin...that isnt a sin in itself many situations...but actually yielding to the temptation is the sin.

The other situation is when we can have deceitful/evil desires within us that can generate the desires to want something that we shouldn't be wanting...yet one can be enjoying the experience of those desires within without acting it out..like sexual lusts,vengeful fantasies ect...

Well that's my little 2 pennies worth😊😊

Matt 5:28, But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

what's the point your tying to make from quoting this verse in terms of a response to my previous comment?

Is it not amazing just how many in Jesus's days on earth thought his doctrine was a very strange doctrine, and hard to understand?

Keep studying with an open mind, and you might be able to understand it some day, with the help of the Holy Ghost, if you deny your own entelect.

the only problem is you are preaching "YOUR DOCTRINE" not "HIS DOCTRINE"

Your doctrine says Jesus didn't die for everyone (somehow you know for sure though he died for you)




if you have studied so much and have such great intellect (btw you spelled intellect wrong) and bible knowledge why do you refuse to answer any of the questions I have asked concerning Judas?

please don't blame the Holy Ghost for your learning of scripture. I feel sure a ghost taught you, but it wasn't the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost would never teach that God created only certain people to go to heaven and the rest go to hell.

"run forest run"

Your comment that "one can enjoy the experience of those desires within, without acting it out". Matt 5:28 infers that you have already committed adultery.

It is the same root word. You have chosen to alter its meaning when it refers to Christ, that is up to you. The translators were consistent at least.

https://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_3986.htm

Either we are never "tempted, only tested instead" or Christ was tempted as we. Or we can pick and choose what the root words mean to suit our understanding regardless of it being inconsistent. Also we should change "tempter" to tester if we continue down this path.

Youngs also agrees with strongs. The difinition is applied in one set way to the 20 verses it applies to in the New Testament.

It has it as one set definition, temptation, and is translated 19 times as such, and once as the plural. So either we and Christ were tempted or Christ and we were only tried.

Lead us not into temptation, or lead us not into testing?
With ever temptation God will provide us with a means of escape, or is it with every trial?

If I said Christ HAD sinned whilst in a moral body, indeed you would be right to rebuke me.
I said no such thing however. I have offered scripture that backed up my understanding, and you yours. Clearly we interprate them differently.

I am not debating you further. You have clearly stated your understanding, and I have stated mine.

We are saved by faith in the SINLESS son of God. I think we both have that covered.
I wish you well and say God bless you. Catch you on another thread, another time maybe.

Inherited sin is not a choice, it's a nature. Personal sin is a choice.

So did personal sin cause inherited sin, or the other way around?