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Blackpowderduelist

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It could be that we are in the great tribulation. Because biblically it's tribulation, return of Christ, millennial reign, release of Satan, war, final judgment.
From what I understand (which isn't to say much) there is the return of Jesus and rapture which only takes us away from the judgement as administers it at his return and rapture only means we join him in his sweep across the earth. So we meet him in the cloud on his descent and follow with him as he destroys all the evil of that day, and binds Satan, and sets up his earthly kingdom for the thousand years. Then Satan is released again to tempt then Jesus still here leads his army and destroys the army of Satan and cast Satan into destruction, then the final judgement of all.
I know this is a very rudimentary explanation but I hope you can all get the jist.
 
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It is painfully clear Satan is not bound, his work is clearly visible. Go stand in front of an abortion clinic and see the evil there.
 
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Blackpowderduelist said:
It is painfully clear Satan is not bound, his work is clearly visible. Go stand in front of an abortion clinic and see the evil there.
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Stand in front of the cross instead, because it's there that Jesus defeated all that the devil coulld do.
 
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F.e. revlation 20, ore Micha 4,3 ff; ore Jesaja 11,
Descriptiones from a time which till now never happend in history for the nation of Israel. So it will come in Future.
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That is pretty obtuse. I prefer to use an English bible.
So give the specific in those chapters (but I can tell you now that tribulation prophecy is fulfilled and is history.

As for my Brutus remark, I plead guilty to mixing up my Caesars...(et tu)...:oops:... however, there are conflicting reports on Nero's death......be it by suicide, assisted suicide or by another's hand altogether. Knowing his fear of dying and thinking his Senate had sentenced him to death by beating.....I think he would prefer death by suicide .....with or without help.

Wiki gives this account among others: At this time, a courier arrived with a report that the Senate had declared Nero a public enemy, that it was their intention to execute him by beating him to death, and that armed men had been sent to apprehend him for the act to take place in the Roman Forum. The Senate actually was still reluctant and deliberating on the right course of action, as Nero was the last member of the Julio-Claudian Family. Indeed, most of the senators had served the imperial family all their lives and felt a sense of loyalty to the deified bloodline, if not to Nero himself. The men actually had the goal of returning Nero back to the Senate, where the Senate hoped to work out a compromise with the rebelling governors that would preserve Nero's life, so that at least a future heir to the dynasty could be produced.

Nero, however, did not know this, and at the news brought by the courier, he prepared himself for suicide, pacing up and down muttering Qualis artifex pereo ("What an artist dies in me"). Losing his nerve, he begged one of his companions to set an example by killing himself first. At last, the sound of approaching horsemen drove Nero to face the end. However, he still could not bring himself to take his own life but instead he forced his private secretary, Epaphroditos, to perform the task.

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interesting side note would explain why it was thought the beast had come back from the dead:

1 The appearance of three False Neros in the two decades after the emperor’s death in 68 was not the only ‘afterlife’ that Nero had. He became increasingly associated with a legend that he was not dead, no matter how long-lived that made him, and was waiting to return to reclaim his throne. This legend that saw him connected to some of the more prominent beliefs in the burgeoning faith of Christianity.

The first/second century Greek philosopher and historian Dio Chrysostom also wrote on the phenomenon of people believing that Nero was still alive long after his death.

“…for so far as the rest of his subjects were concerned, there was nothing to prevent his continuing to be Emperor for all time, seeing that even now everybody wishes he were still alive. And the great majority do believe that he is, although in a certain sense he has died not once but often along with those who had been firmly convinced that he was still alive” (Dio Chrysostom, On Beauty 21.10).
 
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I told you before, the man of lawlessness/beast, will be destroyed by the brightness of the coming of the Lord. He along with the false prophet will be captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire. In opposition, Nero committed suicide by stabbing himself in the neck. Therefore, Nero does not fit the prophecy regarding the antichrist/man of lawlessness/beast.
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and I was soooo impressed :rolleyes:
 
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Journeyman said:
Stand in front of the cross instead, because it's there that Jesus defeated all that the devil coulld do.
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You missed the point. Satan is not bound, and it's obvious.
 
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Blackpowderduelist said:
You missed the point. Satan is not bound, and it's obvious.
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The bible says Satan is bound from deceiving the nation. That means the gospel goes forth unhindered.
Although the evil one still has limited power in a fallen world, it is far less than what he had when he was able to bind and blind all nations outside Israel
 
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Blackpowderduelist said:
It is painfully clear Satan is not bound, his work is clearly visible. Go stand in front of an abortion clinic and see the evil there.
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Although the evil one still has limited power in a fallen world, it is far less than what he had when he was able to bind and blind all nations outside Israel

Satan was only bound from deceiving the nations.
 
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Its painfully clear to me that some people need to read the scripture with care.....like EVERY word.

It is better to lose one's tongue than to speak as if one lost one's head.
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
The bible says Satan is bound from deceiving the nation. That means the gospel goes forth unhindered.
Although the evil one still has limited power in a fallen world, it is far less than what he had when he was able to bind and blind all nations outside Israel
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And what nation is not deceived?
Where is the gospel unhindered?
 
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You don't even have to be spiritually mature to see the evil hold that is on the nations. I would go as far as to say anyone who can't see the hold that Satan has on the nations is spiritually blind, maybe even physically as well.
 
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Blackpowderduelist said:
And what nation is not deceived?
Where is the gospel unhindered?
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There are missionaries, bibles, tracts and all sorts of materials avaiable in all countries, whether their governments like it or not.
God has said He would make the rocks cry out His message if none of His people carried it.

THAT WAS MY POINT!!
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
That is pretty obtuse. I prefer to use an English bible.
So give the specific in those chapters (but I can tell you now that tribulation prophecy is fulfilled and is history.

As for my Brutus remark, I plead guilty to mixing up my Caesars...(et tu)...:oops:... however, there are conflicting reports on Nero's death......be it by suicide, assisted suicide or by another's hand altogether. Knowing his fear of dying and thinking his Senate had sentenced him to death by beating.....I think he would prefer death by suicide .....with or without help.

Wiki gives this account among others: At this time, a courier arrived with a report that the Senate had declared Nero a public enemy, that it was their intention to execute him by beating him to death, and that armed men had been sent to apprehend him for the act to take place in the Roman Forum. The Senate actually was still reluctant and deliberating on the right course of action, as Nero was the last member of the Julio-Claudian Family. Indeed, most of the senators had served the imperial family all their lives and felt a sense of loyalty to the deified bloodline, if not to Nero himself. The men actually had the goal of returning Nero back to the Senate, where the Senate hoped to work out a compromise with the rebelling governors that would preserve Nero's life, so that at least a future heir to the dynasty could be produced.

Nero, however, did not know this, and at the news brought by the courier, he prepared himself for suicide, pacing up and down muttering Qualis artifex pereo ("What an artist dies in me"). Losing his nerve, he begged one of his companions to set an example by killing himself first. At last, the sound of approaching horsemen drove Nero to face the end. However, he still could not bring himself to take his own life but instead he forced his private secretary, Epaphroditos, to perform the task.

AND
interesting side note would explain why it was thought the beast had come back from the dead:

1 The appearance of three False Neros in the two decades after the emperor’s death in 68 was not the only ‘afterlife’ that Nero had. He became increasingly associated with a legend that he was not dead, no matter how long-lived that made him, and was waiting to return to reclaim his throne. This legend that saw him connected to some of the more prominent beliefs in the burgeoning faith of Christianity.

The first/second century Greek philosopher and historian Dio Chrysostom also wrote on the phenomenon of people believing that Nero was still alive long after his death.

“…for so far as the rest of his subjects were concerned, there was nothing to prevent his continuing to be Emperor for all time, seeing that even now everybody wishes he were still alive. And the great majority do believe that he is, although in a certain sense he has died not once but often along with those who had been firmly convinced that he was still alive” (Dio Chrysostom, On Beauty 21.10).
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Well, that you believe it, means not that this is true. I would say, lets look. I suppose we are not so far from this Future things which will come. If you then come to me and confess that you was wrong, its ok. ;-)
 
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I think it's possible that the thousand years reign of believers with Christ is like a day when our Lord created one new body in his own image.

The reign of Christ is a time of peace, not to the entire world, but to believers who have received the gospel preached to the world,

They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. Isa.11:9

Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. Jn.14:27

It's also a time when Christ empowers his followers over everyone in the world. Jesus said,

Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Lk.10:19

I do believe that Christians who oppose the current reign of Christ do not know the Lord very well.
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Yes Jesus Christ is currently reigning with those believers that have overcome, yes the thousand years is as one day 2 Peter 3:8 in the Lords spiritual realm that is seen in Revelation 20:1-6
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
The bible says Satan is bound from deceiving the nation. That means the gospel goes forth unhindered.
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Satan is bound from one specific purpose (Deceiving The Nations To Battle) he isnt bound from general deception in the world as many (Falsely) claim.

This deception is seen and interpreted before your very eyes in verse 8 below.

Revelation 20:1-8KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

As is clearly seen, the 6th vial below has satan bound, and must be poured out then he is loosed,the deception he was bound from is devils in false miracles, going to the Kings of the earth, gathering them to battle.

Revelation 16:12-14KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
 
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Blackpowderduelist said:
You missed the point. Satan is not bound, and it's obvious.
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No I didn't miss your point. Satan is only bound from deceiving the gentiles (the "nations") who place their faith in Jesus. Faith in our Lord is all that is necessary to expose the devil as a liar. And Jesus's command to go to all nations with the gospel was so people would know the truth.
 
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Blackpowderduelist said:
It could be that we are in the great tribulation. Because biblically it's tribulation, return of Christ, millennial reign, release of Satan, war, final judgment.
From what I understand (which isn't to say much) there is the return of Jesus and rapture which only takes us away from the judgement as administers it at his return and rapture only means we join him in his sweep across the earth. So we meet him in the cloud on his descent and follow with him as he destroys all the evil of that day, and binds Satan, and sets up his earthly kingdom for the thousand years. Then Satan is released again to tempt then Jesus still here leads his army and destroys the army of Satan and cast Satan into destruction, then the final judgement of all.
I know this is a very rudimentary explanation but I hope you can all get the jist.
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Future things to observe

1.) The Antichrist/Beast/Man of Sin will be revealed in Jerusalem, projecting to be Messiah to Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, the 3.5 year tribulation starts.

2.) The (Two Witnesses) Rev 11 will take their place in Jerusalem for the entire 3.5 years, bringing plagues in torment upon the earth, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

3.) World Armies move towards Jerusalem, The two witnesses are killed, lay in the street, and are raised to heaven before the world watching, as the final hours of earth existence unfolds, great earthquake, mens hearts failing, as Jesus Christ returns to Armageddon in fire and final judgement, the church is resurrected and caught up, as the earth is (Dissolved) by the Lords fire in (Final Judgement)

4.) The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, are revealed for eternity.

There will be no future Millennium on this earth, a false teaching of man, setting the stage for the walk on (Antichrist)
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
Are you the hall monitor? Truth7t7 has been spouting his nonsense even though I have given him scripture after scripture to show his error........You take care of you and I'll take care of me.
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We are to give correction when it is needed and I don't care if you attack or name call me but when it comes to others I will not hesitate to correct those who foolishly name call mock or attack others.
You have given scripture yes but without understanding the scriptures and for the most part you have only given your opinions without actual evidence and when you do try to with scripture you use scripture that doesn't even fit the context.

I am no stranger to your type of thinking you think yourself to have understanding when in reality you lack thereof you just are to blind to see it, you speak your truth on a matter but are unable to listen and learn from others you easily can cherry pick scriptures but fail to see the picture as a whole and you are crude in your responces because you lack the maturity and love of the spirit

The reason for all of this is because you think yourself right when sometimes it is better to think yourself wrong and lacking in order to grow to have understanding, unless you humble yourself you will become as the pharisees and no I do not expect you to listen to my advice I am aware you cannot be reasoned with but I do hope one day God may work in your heart and you will remember these words.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
Yes Jesus Christ is currently reigning with those believers that have overcome, yes the thousand years is as one day 2 Peter 3:8 in the Lords spiritual realm that is seen in Revelation 20:1-6
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You know Truth7t7,
Scripture says God rules in the kingdoms of men and when we read of how he patiently gave people time to repent before destroying them because if wickedness, it should start to become clear that when Jesus walked on earth, he was really reigning over mankind in mercy, just as his Father does.
 
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