Propitiation – The Sacrifice that Atoned

Romans 10:4 says "end" in most translations

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You seem to have a comprehension problem. What I stated is true and is found all over scripture, And is proven in one passage

he who believes is not condemned, these are those who in faith receive the offer of propitiation, salvation, justification knew birth etc etc

who who does Not believe is condemned already because they have not believe...these are those who were offered the same things the first group were offered. But chose to reject in unbelief.

as for my defenition, I gave the Greek defenition, your argument is with them not me

Understanding of this ONE WORD forever refutes the false teaching that Christ died for every single person. That Christ died for all men is true, but the “all men” He died for were all believers. All of that group.

1 John 4:10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loves us and sent His Son to be the propitiation of our sins.


Satisfaction of God’s justice is necessary if sin is to be forgiven.
Christ was set forth as the propitiation in order that God might be just in justifying the ungodly. If sin could be pardoned without satisfaction “then Christ died in vain” (Galatians 2:21)

No other propitiation is needed and no other is possible.

Expiation and propitiation go together. The sinner is expiated by the atonement, and God’s justice is propitiated.

Romans 3:25 (Jesus Christ) whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed v26 that He might be just AND the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Hebrews 2:17 Therefor He had to be made like His brethren in all things, that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make PROPITIATION for the sins of the people.

1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only but also for those of the whole world (read 1 John 2: 1-10 for the fullness of the text) John’s use of the wider sense of ‘world’ extends the propitiation into the future for God’s people in all generations.

If Christ was the propitiation for EVERY man, then every man is justified and is not under wrath, for this is the true meaning of propitiation: that Christ reconciled man to God by His blood, and the reconciled man is not under judgment but is saved from wrath

example: when the priests of the OT made sacrifice (propitiation) for the people, it was for a PARTICULAR people of a particular group, and not for ALL people.

Lordship salvation is apostasy.

I am guessing this Thread is intended to promote Calvin's Ideology?

Firstly this only proves that Jesus's sacrafice appeased God for the remission of sin but you say in the fisrt line it was only for believers but when we believe and are saved are sins are wiped clean however one is still a sinner until this happens so how does this in any way prove it was not for all mankind if one has to first accept him to be free from the wrath of God? if anything it only proves he died for all mankind for anyone who would come to him and accept him you cannot believe and be saved if you are already a believer all you do when you claim this is lessen Christs sacrifice

As for how you use the word do you know the origins of that word? it an english translation of the word kapporeth rooted from the OT to mean covering it was first translation from this hebrew language to the original greek and then became the english word we know today however when used in the original hebrew language it is not a covering of a certain people but used as an infinite everlasting one

You try to use this word to limit his sacrifice and love and grace and yet because you do now understand the actual meaning of the word and how the context of the word is used you fail in your endeavor. I understand you are a catholic at least if I am not mistaken you are but if you are I truly feel sorry for you and I mean this with no disrespect. I do not believe all cathpolics are not saved like many Christians do but the yoke they place themselves on and the lack of love and simplicity they have with our father sorrows my heart

From the experiences I have had wioth other catholics they read the bible with a carnal mind the relationship they have with God is not one of a child and loving father this isn't to say all catholics are like this but from the ones I have encountered this is how it was. As for you you need to first gain more understanding before you try to prove your belief because you only disproved yourself in your post

He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 2:2 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.2.2.ESV

So you advocate universal salvation??.........because if the propitiation was for the every person in the world, then not one person left unsaved.

You have no idea what propitiation means.
When the propitiation was made by Christ.....it was when His blood was shed on the cross to pay the sin debt for His people. God demanded a sacrifice of blood to be spread on the mercy seat in the temple....The blood of Christ replaced that offering with His own blood. Once for all time. It reconciles man to God. It is the reason we are SAVED from the penalty of our sin.

That verse you quoted is a favoite of universalists. I am not going into the definitions of the word, world....its like the word ALL, different meanings for different verses....."all of a group" "all people everywhere" etc.

Unless you are proposing universal salvation you must come to the conclusion that the propitiation was for one group of people, believers. You can believe anything you want to but Jesus said "a little leaven spoils the whole." I take that to mean one either has correct doctrine (TRUTH) or a mixture of truth with apostasy.

I think we can trust our translators to have given us a trustworthy bible. God has preserved His word to His people for centuries. Some words give some people a problem, but if put in context the definitions are obvious. And we can rely on the bible interpreting the bible. All of it is from the One essence. If they are still a problem then the problem is the reader.

Don't know why you mentioned catholics. I am not a catholic but they do have a whole lot of leaven in their dogmas.

Your're the one with the comprehension problem .... since you want to get personal about this.
Your added words to not make scripture say what you want it to say no matter how hard you try.
And you know as well as I do (maybe) that definitions of aGreek word are further defined by the context.

the same forgiveness is offered to all, but not all will recieve it YOUR WORDS that you have yet to show me in the bible
Could it be because they are not there.....nor any verses close to that statement?

He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 2:2 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.2.2.ESV

So you advocate universal salvation??.........because if the propitiation was for the every person in the world, then not one person left unsaved.

You have no idea what propitiation means.
When the propitiation was made by Christ.....it was when His blood was shed on the cross to pay the sin debt for His people. God demanded a sacrifice of blood to be spread on the mercy seat in the temple....The blood of Christ replaced that offering with His own blood. Once for all time. It reconciles man to God. It is the reason we are SAVED from the penalty of our sin.

That verse you quoted is a favoite of universalists. I am not going into the definitions of the word, world....its like the word ALL, different meanings for different verses....."all of a group" "all people everywhere" etc.

So you advocate universal salvation??.........because if the propitiation was for the every person in the world, then not one person left unsaved.

You have no idea what propitiation means.
When the propitiation was made by Christ.....it was when His blood was shed on the cross to pay the sin debt for His people. God demanded a sacrifice of blood to be spread on the mercy seat in the temple....The blood of Christ replaced that offering with His own blood. Once for all time. It reconciles man to God. It is the reason we are SAVED from the penalty of our sin.

That verse you quoted is a favoite of universalists. I am not going into the definitions of the word, world....its like the word ALL, different meanings for different verses....."all of a group" "all people everywhere" etc.

Understanding of this ONE WORD forever refutes the false teaching that Christ died for every single person. That Christ died for all men is true, but the “all men” He died for were all believers. All of that group.