Is the Messiah really the Way, and the Truth, and the Life to us personally?

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1 John/Yahanan 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”
 

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Do you bekiebd

answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our stay with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me. These Words I have spoken to you while still with you. But the Helper, the Set-apart Spirit, whom the Father shall send in My Name, He shall teach you all, and remind you of all that I said to you.”
Is Jesus speaking to you ? were you there?
John 2:22 -

"22 After He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this. Then they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken. "



And we should remember also what He said, this part:

whom the Father shall send in My Name, He shall teach [future tense] you all
meaning, "all things"...

...same as what He said in John 16:12-15 "He shall guide you into all the truth" (speaking of His disciples present there)
 

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So where did I say that? Can you show me where I said that? Because I never said that.

I believe every man of YHWH that He had write down words for our understanding had the Holy SPirit and spoke truth, with that said I also can understand this:

John/Yahanan 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”
Because in post #72 you said...
Yes I put Yahshua/Jesus words above because YHWH says to, and Yahshua/Jesus says to.
By stating you put Jesus's words above others makes the Holy Spirit (who inspired ALL Scripture) seem to be confused or a liar.
Don't you believe all of Scripture is the Word of God? Or is Jesus not God?
 

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or I take Deut 13 and 18 seriously, thus taking the words of the Messiah seriously...
That's a moot point unless you believe Paul did not receive direct revelation from Jesus.
 

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1Cor2:10a,16b (what we have written in the parts of the Bible FOLLOWING His death/resurrection/ascension/exaltation--just like He'd said in John16 "I have YET MANY THINGS to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. However...")
 
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Because in post #72 you said...
By stating you put Jesus's words above others makes the Holy Spirit (who inspired ALL Scripture) seem to be confused or a liar.
Don't you believe all of Scripture is the Word of God? Or is Jesus not God?
The Father says the Messiah's words are above all:

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

Peter sees it the same way

Acts 3:19-23, “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, and that He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed for you, whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which the Mighty One spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old. For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.”

the Messiah says the same, His words above all:

John/Yahanan 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”

and here we see exactly what words

John 14:23-26, “יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our stay with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me. These Words I have spoken to you while still with you. But the Helper, the Set-apart Spirit, whom the Father shall send in My Name, He shall teach you all, and remind you of all that I said to you.”
 
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That's a moot point unless you believe Paul did not receive direct revelation from Jesus.
I see His wrods above all bc

The Father says the Messiah's words are above all:

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

Peter sees it the same way

Acts 3:19-23, “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, and that He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed for you, whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which the Mighty One spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old. For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.”

the Messiah says the same, His words above all:

John/Yahanan 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”

and here we see exactly what words

John 14:23-26, “יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our stay with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me. These Words I have spoken to you while still with you. But the Helper, the Set-apart Spirit, whom the Father shall send in My Name, He shall teach you all, and remind you of all that I said to you.”
 

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Yahshua/Jesus says to

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
You believe "the last day" is the "seventh day," don't you?

The Bridegroom will be unioned with His Bride/Wife prior to the seventh day, no? (Gen2:21-25; 1:26-28a,31b)
 
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1Cor2:10a,16b (what we have written in the parts of the Bible FOLLOWING His death/resurrection/ascension/exaltation--just like He'd said in John16 "I have YET MANY THINGS to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. However...")
He had already told them about His death, burial, and resurrection:

John 2:18-22, "So the Jews said to him, “What sign do you show us for doing these things?” Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” But he was speaking about the temple of his body. When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken."

Luke 24:6-9, "He is not here, but has risen. Remember how he told you, while he was still in Galilee, that the Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men and be crucified and on the third day rise.” And they remembered his words, and returning from the tomb they told all these things to the eleven and to all the rest."

Matthew 16:21, "From that time יהושע began to show to His taught ones that it was necessary for Him to go to Yerushalayim, and to suffer much from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and to be raised again the third day."

What He had to tell them that was hard to hear was this:

Revelation 1:1-3,Revelation of יהושע Messiah, which Elohim gave Him to show His servants what has to take place with speed. And He signified it by sending His messenger to His servant Yoḥanan, who bore witness to the Word of Elohim, and the witness of יהושע Messiah – to all he saw. Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and guard what is written in it, for the time is near.
 
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You believe "the last day" is the "seventh day," don't you?

The Bridegroom will be unioned with His Bride/Wife prior to the seventh day, no? (Gen2:21-25; 1:26-28a,31b)

NO, when did I ever say that?

Revelation 20:12-13, “And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before יהוה. And the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and Death and Sheol delivered up the dead which were in them. And they were judged, every man, according to their works.”



I know the word much better than that...

It can fall on any day and none of us would know what day the last day is... It is represented by the final day of the Feast of Tabernacles, that can fall on any day of the week.

Leviticus 23:35-36,‘On the first day is a set-apart gathering, you do no servile work. ‘For seven days you bring an offering made by fire to יהוה. On the eighth day there shall be a set-apart gathering for you, and you shall bring an offering made by fire to יהוה. It is a closing festival, you do no servile work.
 

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He was speaking to His disciples and also told His disciples to teach everyone what He had taught them

Mat 28:19-20, “Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-apart Spirit, and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-apart Spirit. Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words (teachings) will not pass away.”
What ' all things ' ? could you list ? everything?
 

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Well this is how I view it:

John/Yahanan 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”
Which words ? All words ? even the parts that could not possibly apply to us today?
 

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Jesus is THE way. period
That verse also is Jesus Christ telling us that HE IS GOD.
One little verse can say so much
 

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The Father says the Messiah's words are above all:
Jesus is the logos who gave us His written Word...ALL of it. But you are saying some of Jesus's words are above other parts.
Again, a highway to heresy.
 

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I see His wrods above all bc

The Father says the Messiah's words are above all:
Sorry, but you are one confused puppy. I'd suggest you pull out of the Hebrew Roots movement, and spend a few years in the Scriptures...ALL of them.
 

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Well this is how I view it:

John/Yahanan 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”
Do you agree the the Gospel is the way to be saved today ? 1 cor 15 .1-4,. Romans 10.9,10 . Rom 1.16
 

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1 John/Yahanan 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”
Are you a ' hebrew roots ' / torah observer ?,
 

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NO, when did I ever say that?
Revelation 20:12-13, “And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before יהוה. And the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and Death and Sheol delivered up the dead which were in them. And they were judged, every man, according to their works.”
I know the word much better than that...

It can fall on any day and none of us would know what day the last day is... It is represented by the final day of the Feast of Tabernacles, that can fall on any day of the week.
The "final day" of the "Feast of Tabernacles"... I cannot tell if you think that is the "7th day [of that feast]" (which would indeed be "the last day" of that feast,) or whether you are attempting to say that "the eighth day" was considered "the last day of the feast of Tabernacles" (it wasn't--"the eighth day" was SEPARATE from "the feast of Tabernacles" and NOT considered "the last day" if IT)--but I cannot tell exactly, if this was what you intended, or the other.

As for your phrase, "it can fall on ANY DAY OF THE WEEK," well, now you're messin' with someone whose kept a record of such things and knows that this is indeed NOT THE CASE. For example...

...consider the facts re: YK, I personally have a chart I made of a RECORD of "70 yrs-worth" of what day of the week YK falls on (notice...):

YK (thru 70 yrs-worth) -
SAT, WED, MON, SAT, WED, WED, SAT, THU, WED, MON, [10]
SAT, WED, MON, MON, THU, MON, MON, SAT, THU, MON, [20]
SAT, THU, MON, SAT,SAT, WED, SAT, SAT, WED, WED, [30]
SAT, WED, WED, MON, THU, WED, MON, SAT, THU, MON, [40]
MON, SAT, WED, MON, SAT, WED, MON, SAT, SAT, WED, [50]
SAT, SAT, WED, MON, SAT, WED, WED, SAT, THU, WED, [60]
MON, THU, WED, MON, SAT, THU, MON, MON, SAT, WED [70]

... notice that it NEVER falls on a "SUN, TUES, FRI"... so what does that say about Tabernacles (1st day and last day... let alone "the eighth day"). Sorry, you're not going to pull the wool over my eyes. ;)

You are simply incorrect, here, on this point.

Leviticus 23:35-36,‘On the first day is a set-apart gathering, you do no servile work. ‘For seven days you bring an offering made by fire to יהוה. On the eighth day there shall be a set-apart gathering for you, and you shall bring an offering made by fire to יהוה. It is a closing festival, you do no servile work.
Again, "the eighth day" was distinct (from the 7 day feast of "Tabernacles")



[and from what I understand, ANYONE was permitted to join them for the 7 day Feast of Tabernacles (meaning, Gentiles were welcome)... but "the eighth day" was for Israel to "meet with God ALONE"]