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I only used the 'Jesus Seminar' as a starting point. my actual concern is regarding what some are teaching today...the gospels, book of Acts and James, are not for Gentile believers.
John 14:23-24, “יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.
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Why would a believer, a Christian, need to be told this? If the "twelve tribes" represent Jewish believers, haven't they already received the word and their souls saved? Why would James tell them this?
The term "twelve tribes" all throughout Scripture is a reference the whole nation of Israel and never a called out group from that nation. To make the reference in James to mean Jewish Christians would contradict every other usage in Scripture. I don't want to violate God's word in this manner. I allow the Scripture to define itself.
Can you post another "twelve tribe" reference that designates this term to Christians? Thanks.
The term "twelve tribes" all throughout Scripture is a reference the whole nation of Israel and never a called out group from that nation. To make the reference in James to mean Jewish Christians would contradict every other usage in Scripture. I don't want to violate God's word in this manner. I allow the Scripture to define itself.
Can you post another "twelve tribe" reference that designates this term to Christians? Thanks.
well apparently they were similar to believers today
just having a hard time letting go of their sin and sinful habits
listen Johnny, get off your merry go round. it's making you dizzy
just having a hard time letting go of their sin and sinful habits
listen Johnny, get off your merry go round. it's making you dizzy
I'm waiting for another reference to prove the term "twelve tribes" is a phrase for Jewish believers and not the whole nation of Israel coming from the twelve tribes.
Any takers? It's used dozens of times in Scripture. Surely, there is at least one other...
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it does not matter what anyone is going to say to you. you believe in a false presentation. but here goes for the sake of those who are not sure:
1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,
To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations:
Greetings.
Trials and Temptations
2 Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters,[a] whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3 because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. 4 Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.
now who is the CHRISTIAN James speaking to when he refers to brothers and sisters? OTHER CHRISTIANS. he speaks of facing trials...well Jesus said we would face trials and those trials refine our faith (as Paul states)
BUT John here, does not believe the book of James is for Christians of any sort...whether Jews or Gentiles...so he cannot seem to see what most of us see, that James is not writing to unbelievers, but members of his own race, JEWISH CONVERTS, but his words reach out to us through the centuries and have been proven true and will be proven true.
9 Believers in humble circumstances ought to take pride in their high position.
and in verse 9 above of chapter one, James calls the people to whom he is writing BELIEVERS..if they are believers is does not matter if they are flamingos, Jews or Gentiles as Paul states we are all one...one how? IN CHRIST
so John here, has no authority to cut up the body of Christ and state James is only for Jews
1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,
To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations:
Greetings.
Trials and Temptations
2 Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters,[a] whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3 because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. 4 Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.
now who is the CHRISTIAN James speaking to when he refers to brothers and sisters? OTHER CHRISTIANS. he speaks of facing trials...well Jesus said we would face trials and those trials refine our faith (as Paul states)
BUT John here, does not believe the book of James is for Christians of any sort...whether Jews or Gentiles...so he cannot seem to see what most of us see, that James is not writing to unbelievers, but members of his own race, JEWISH CONVERTS, but his words reach out to us through the centuries and have been proven true and will be proven true.
9 Believers in humble circumstances ought to take pride in their high position.
and in verse 9 above of chapter one, James calls the people to whom he is writing BELIEVERS..if they are believers is does not matter if they are flamingos, Jews or Gentiles as Paul states we are all one...one how? IN CHRIST
so John here, has no authority to cut up the body of Christ and state James is only for Jews
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since James refers to brothers and sisters in Christ, yes in Christ since he also calls them believers, I do not believe you are waiting for anything except continued exchanges with people who have way too much patience with you
your behavior at this point is nothing short of trollish
as such, you go back on ignore and I would be nothing short of rather happy if everyone else also ignored you
it would clean up the thread you have gnawed at
your behavior at this point is nothing short of trollish
as such, you go back on ignore and I would be nothing short of rather happy if everyone else also ignored you
it would clean up the thread you have gnawed at
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and Jesus words are also to us
you don't have to agree, but what parts of His promises would you like to disagree with?
maybe this one?
Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, John 11:25
perhaps He meant only that woman and she alone is saved?
you don't see what you are doing
you don't have to agree, but what parts of His promises would you like to disagree with?
maybe this one?
Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, John 11:25
perhaps He meant only that woman and she alone is saved?
you don't see what you are doing
James is a Jew, and like Paul, he calls them brethren. Verse 9 actually says,
9 Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted:
Again, can you post another biblical reference using the phrase "twelve tribes" as referring to Christians? There are dozens, surely one is a reference to Christians...Thanks.
9 Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted:
Again, can you post another biblical reference using the phrase "twelve tribes" as referring to Christians? There are dozens, surely one is a reference to Christians...Thanks.
The verse is obviously a prophecy concerning His resurrection. It would not be in effect until after it occurred. For instance, what He foretold in John 3. After the cross one could believe on Him to everlasting life. The Son of man must be lifted up first.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
I think this is where, and this is my view, I think this is where people get caught up in labels and denominations and even choosing to follow their own heart/easy wide path. I know Im not perfect, far far from it, but I also know He is the way, and I don't care what someone heritage, social status, beliefs, etc, etc, etc, are I think all can gain from His words. Also I enjoyed the "exactly" So...
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