Heb 3v17
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sounds more like you all had a lecture 
if you like to discuss, and that's a good thing, then maybe find a place where you can do that
I am glad you are not getting your undies in a knot over the KJ Bible.
if you like to discuss, and that's a good thing, then maybe find a place where you can do that
I am glad you are not getting your undies in a knot over the KJ Bible.
Hello @Darvid, you've actually hit upon an interesting Greek word here, one that I believe is only used once in the NT (here in Hebrews). This particular Greek word κῶλα/κῶλον (transliterated kola/kolon) [which is an old word that has to do with dead bodies (LXX) or members of a dead body or corpse, like feet, has at its root the idea of "punishment" (which certainly fits the context of v17)]. So "carcasses", as you will see, is actually a pretty good translation as it turns out, because it was used to describe what was probably a somewhat horrific scene in the wilderness.
Here is what a couple of my word studies have to say about it.
And just so we'll have it, here is,
I love the KJV and I normally read from it everyday, but there is much that the original languages can help us with in certain cases that an English translation, whichever one it is, cannot.
Quite frankly, I think that we should all be thrilled by the fact that we so many translations available to us today, as well, of course, the vast number of surviving manuscripts in the original languages
God bless you!
~Deut
Here is what a couple of my word studies have to say about it.
Carcasses (τὰ κῶλα). N. T.o. LXX for פֶּֽגֶר a corpse. Κῶλον properly a limb. The idea of dismemberment underlies the use of the word. Comp. Num. 14:29 (LXX), and 1 Cor. 10:5, of the rebellious Israelites, who κατεστρώθησαν ἐν τῇ ἐρήμῳ were strewn down along in the wilderness. ~Vincent, M. R. (1887). Word studies in the New Testament (Vol. 4, p. 420).
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(3:17) The word “carcases” is the translation of a Greek word which in its singular number means “a limb.” The idea of dismemberment underlies its use. The LXX uses it to translate a Hebrew word meaning “a corpse.” The writer is referring in this verse to Numbers 14:29. Paul speaks of the same thing in I Corinthians 10:5 where the literal translation of the Greek gives us the picture of this tragic event, “They were strewn down along in the wilderness.” ~Wuest, K. S. (1997). Wuest’s word studies from the Greek New Testament: for the English reader (Vol. 10, p. 82).
And just so we'll have it, here is,
Hebrews 3
17 With whom was He grieved forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
I love the KJV and I normally read from it everyday, but there is much that the original languages can help us with in certain cases that an English translation, whichever one it is, cannot.
Quite frankly, I think that we should all be thrilled by the fact that we so many translations available to us today, as well, of course, the vast number of surviving manuscripts in the original languages
God bless you!
~Deut
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It is impossible for a translation to be perfect because one language does not translate into another language perfectly, and especially not Hebrew to any other language. Hebrew carries hidden messages in the spelling of a word, no other language does this.
Hebrew is the main original language of scripture, and even when Greek or another language was used the men who wrote what God told them thought in Hebrew for that is where they learned of God. There is no one word in any other language with the same meaning as the Hebrew word in some cases. In Genesis the first day the Lord said let there be light. But on the fourth day God created what gave the earth light. In Hebrew, the word used for the light of the first day is very different from the word used for light of the fourth day, yet they are translated as the same.
It takes many words to explain the Hebrew word shalom.
The KJV new testament translates the Greek word for Passover as Easter.
Hebrew is the main original language of scripture, and even when Greek or another language was used the men who wrote what God told them thought in Hebrew for that is where they learned of God. There is no one word in any other language with the same meaning as the Hebrew word in some cases. In Genesis the first day the Lord said let there be light. But on the fourth day God created what gave the earth light. In Hebrew, the word used for the light of the first day is very different from the word used for light of the fourth day, yet they are translated as the same.
It takes many words to explain the Hebrew word shalom.
The KJV new testament translates the Greek word for Passover as Easter.
You do know that within the Bible itself contains many passages that were translated from language to another and that translation is the inspired word of God.
For instance, Joseph spoke in Egyptian but the inspired “originals” contained Joseph’s words translated into Hebrew. How can this be? God is capable of preserving His words perfectly in any language He sees fit.
A word for word translation is not of concern with God, but the exact perfect words in the language He has preserved His words. I’d rather be on God’s side than philosophies side.
For instance, Joseph spoke in Egyptian but the inspired “originals” contained Joseph’s words translated into Hebrew. How can this be? God is capable of preserving His words perfectly in any language He sees fit.
A word for word translation is not of concern with God, but the exact perfect words in the language He has preserved His words. I’d rather be on God’s side than philosophies side.
I think you are seeking debate where there is no reason to.
carcass
[ˈkärkəs]
NOUN
carcass
[ˈkärkəs]
NOUN
- the dead body of an animal.
"she saw the mud-covered carcass of a sheep"
synonyms:
corpse · cadaver · dead body · body · remains · skeleton · relics · stiff · corse- the trunk of an animal such as a cow, sheep, or pig, for cutting up as meat.
"the carcass has a high proportion of meat to bone"
synonyms:
corpse · cadaver · dead body · body · remains · skeleton · relics · stiff · corse - the remains of a cooked bird after all the edible parts have been removed.
- humorous
a person's body, living or dead.
"my obsession will last while there's life in this old carcass"
synonyms:
body · person · self · backside · butt - the structural framework of a building, ship, or piece of furniture.
synonyms:
framework · frame · skeleton · shell · casing · structure · substructure · bodywork · body · fuselage · hull · keel · anatomy
- the trunk of an animal such as a cow, sheep, or pig, for cutting up as meat.
Many people add their own ideas to scripture and say it is the inspired word of God when it isn't, it is the ideas created in a fleshly mind. That is the excuse the Popes all had, saying whatever they said was as authentic as any scripture, even the indulgences they sold.
The Holy Spirit is powerful and wonderful, but it will not take the place of study.
The Holy Spirit is powerful and wonderful, but it will not take the place of study.