Chosen by God - A study in Election

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And that finally takes place at the future adoption, the redemption of our body.

See post #437 for Scripture
We are adopted children of God,as soon as we are saved.

What future adoption?

God adopted me as soon as I was saved....testifying to my Spirit that I am his child.....
 

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Smartest thing you've said yet. Yes, God chooses to give salvation to those who believe.
That is NOT what I said. I said that God is explicitly choosing persons TO BELIVE, these believers having no influence whatsoever in His gracious choice.

Eph 1:4
For He chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight.
 

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And that finally takes place at the future adoption, the redemption of our body.

See post #437 for Scripture
Absolutely incorrect. This phenomenon is happening now, during our earthy pilgrimage. Does it also occurr in the heavenlies? Nobody knows.
 

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We are adopted children of God,as soon as we are saved.

What future adoption?

God adopted me as soon as I was saved....testifying to my Spirit that I am his child.....
We currently have the Spirit of adoption, but the adoption is future. It's the redemption of our bodies.

Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
 

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This Acts 13:48?
Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.
yup ..who appointed them ?
 

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That is NOT what I said. I said that God is explicitly choosing persons TO BELIVE, these believers having no influence whatsoever in His gracious choice.

Eph 1:4
For He chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight.
"The bible is crystal-clear: God is choosing believers. Not the other way around."
 

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Did you read it correctly?

When the Gentiles heard this,they were glad and honoured the word of the Lord,and all who were “APPOINTED “ for eternal life believed.

Sorry not shouting...just trying to get the message across.
who appointed them ?
 

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Does it say that ? Eisegesis (/ˌaɪsɪˈdʒiːsɪs/) is the process of interpreting text in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas or biases. It is commonly referred to as reading into the text. ... Exegesis is drawing out text's meaning in accordance with the author's context and discoverable meaning.
 

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Does it say that ? Eisegesis (/ˌaɪsɪˈdʒiːsɪs/) is the process of interpreting text in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas or biases. It is commonly referred to as reading into the text. ... Exegesis is drawing out text's meaning in accordance with the author's context and discoverable meaning.
We await your reply to my earlier questions. From about the last hour.
 

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That is NOT what I said. I said that God is explicitly choosing persons TO BELIEVE, these believers having no influence whatsoever in His gracious choice.
God's gracious choice is to choose ALL HUMANITY for salvation. But unless a sinner obeys the Gospel, he will remain lost.

Looks like you remain in bondage to false doctrine. So here's something to wake you up: Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. (Isa 45:22)
 

throughfaith

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God. Before the foundation of the world. Ephesians ch 1 is boilerplate doctrine. Not addled ramblings, ancillary commentary, or tangential opinions.
let's stick to the text please. Does it Say God appointed them ?Eisegesis (/ˌaɪsɪˈdʒiːsɪs/) is the process of interpreting text in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas or biases. It is commonly referred to as reading into the text. ... Exegesis is drawing out text's meaning in accordance with the author's context and discoverable meaning.
Then read vese 46 .
 

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Did you read it correctly?
When the Gentiles heard this,they were glad and honoured the word of the Lord,and all who were “APPOINTED “ for eternal life believed.
Sorry not shouting...just trying to get the message across.
The word for "appointed" is G5021 "tetagmenoi / tasso"... and under HELPS Word-Studies at BibleHub, says this: "[5021 (tássō) was "primarily a military term meaning 'to draw up in order, arrange in place, assign, appoint, order' " (A-S).]" [bold and underline mine]

There is some question as to whether the word in this verse is "Middle Voice" or "Passive Voice" (passive would mean this was done unto them [entirely by someone else], but the middle voice would not).

https://biblehub.com/text/acts/13-48.htm [middle or passive: "M/P"]

This is when we look to the rest of the CONTEXT to see if there are any other clues that would inform us... and there are: In verses 42-46. ;) [verse 46 also speaks of an ORDER: "*first*" to the Jews, right?]
 

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The word for "appointed" is G5021 "tetagmenoi / tasso"... and under HELPS Word-Studies at BibleHub, says this: "[5021 (tássō) was "primarily a military term meaning 'to draw up in order, arrange in place, assign, appoint, order' " (A-S).]" [bold and underline mine]

There is some question as to whether the word in this verse is "Middle Voice" or "Passive Voice" (passive would mean this was done unto them [entirely by someone else], but the middle voice would not).

https://biblehub.com/text/acts/13-48.htm [middle or passive: "M/P"]

This is when we look to the rest of the CONTEXT to see if there are any other clues that would inform us... and there are: In verses 42-46. ;) [verse 46 also speaks of an ORDER: "*first*" to the Jews, right?]
Agree
42¶And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
43Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44¶And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
45But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
46Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
 
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The word for "appointed" is G5021 "tetagmenoi / tasso"... and under HELPS Word-Studies at BibleHub, says this: "[5021 (tássō) was "primarily a military term meaning 'to draw up in order, arrange in place, assign, appoint, order' " (A-S).]" [bold and underline mine]

There is some question as to whether the word in this verse is "Middle Voice" or "Passive Voice" (passive would mean this was done unto them [entirely by someone else], but the middle voice would not).

https://biblehub.com/text/acts/13-48.htm [middle or passive: "M/P"]

This is when we look to the rest of the CONTEXT to see if there are any other clues that would inform us... and there are: In verses 42-46. ;) [verse 46 also speaks of an ORDER: "*first*" to the Jews, right?]



Sorry.....I don’t interpret it as you do....so disagree.
 
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let's stick to the text please. Does it Say God appointed them ?Eisegesis (/ˌaɪsɪˈdʒiːsɪs/) is the process of interpreting text in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas or biases. It is commonly referred to as reading into the text. ... Exegesis is drawing out text's meaning in accordance with the author's context and discoverable meaning.
Then read vese 46 .


That is your interpretation.and a few others.
 
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God's gracious choice is to choose ALL HUMANITY for salvation. But unless a sinner obeys the Gospel, he will remain lost.

Looks like you remain in bondage to false doctrine. So here's something to wake you up: Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. (Isa 45:22)

Show me in scripture,But unless a sinner obeys the gospel he will remain lost?

I have asked you this on a number of occasions..yet you produce nothing.

I was saved,without reading a bible,so are many others?
 
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