By Works

Why have you believed the new birth is after you've been a 'christian' for a while ?

Where does Paul say anything about abiding in the vine ?

This sounds like invasion of the body snatchers?

Well all cults say Jesus did his bit and now you have to do yours .

Jesus is pictured in the placenta
It has a blood of its own
It has a life of its own
It is a sacrificial life for the sake of new life
It is a mediator between the source of life and the seed of life
it protects it from judgement of antibodies that would consider it foreign to that life.


God made Creation for the purpose of our understanding Him and His nature, how spiritual things work.

This is now off the charts ?? but I'm curious where your getting this stuff from ? Wasn't everything created for Jesus Christ ? Col 1.15-...

Birth is messy, risky and kind of scary...
Spiritual birth is no different

You can also see why pain in child birth was added as a curse.
Because bearing and giving birth spiritually became a painful process because of the addition of sin so the physical process was now going to reflect that was well.

So does the bible.
Some cults say Jesus did his bit and now you have to do nothing at all.

There is error on either side of the true path

Come on , what book are you getting this from ?

Could you name one ? I name the Mormons for my claim .

I'm fairly sure no cult could survive without conditional salvation . You need the fear to keep the followers in line .

You just need followers who don't want to do anything.
Or all the one fearful they might do it wrong.

I agree with the book of James, not your interpretation. Read what I wrote, that's what I believe.
If you are saved you will bear fruit not of works if your own hands, but of the Spirit.

the way is always narrow and between the middle of the two obvious sides
Like the third side of a coin that nobody ever calls.

the works of your own effort is abiding in the vine so that you might bear the fruit of the Spirit that includes the formation of Christ in you.
Afterwards when you are walking in the daylight and no longer need a lamp to see it is about exercise n discipline that builds strength and practice n patience that builds endurance, using what you have been given until you reach the full stature of Christ Jesus.

To the extend we do these things our placement as sons (adoption if you must) in Gods house is determined.

Through sanctification, May your body mind and soul be preserved complete (is incomplete an option then?) at the coming of our lord Jesus

If I abide in the vine and the vine produces fruit in me is that the work of my own abiding?
IF i fail to abide in the vine and there is no fruit, is that the work of my own actions?

Your work that connects you to His work.
Your work that lays hold of that which He laid hold of you for.
Ceasing from sin and abiding in Christ so you may begin to live the rest of your life for the Glory of God - the purpose of the Gospel according to Peter

There is a fight for you to fight
There is a race for you to run
If you expect the Spirit of God to bear fruit in your life
Then you don't call him Lord with lip service.
You abide in Him.
You work it out this salvation
You run, you fight like someone who is ready to pay the price in order to win, to have it all.
You say God whatever it takes, lets do this.

Queue Rocky music.

The gospel is universal, it began with Gen 3:15

It’s just your feeling that they can so looks like a stalemate

i will entrust god To empower them