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First and foremost, they would have to prove that it works better that the body's natural system. Current information is beginning to show that persons who have been infected with Covid19 and developed antibodies begin to lose them within a month or two. Unfortunately, our bodies react to different viruses differently. Most persons infected with Chicken Pox will never contract it again because those antibodies last whereas the antibodies that we develop after having the flu tend to wear off rapidly.
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I have read some postive things about the most recent vaccine tests from Moderna and Pfyzer, I think they are two different kinds, I am not sure because the published news stories never go very deep into explaining how they work but I know that they are reporting boost of T Cells and B Cells that have the capability of creating the antibodies at a later time after they fade from initial vaccine. So if the virus shows up at a later time they have memory to create the antibody when needed. So the fact that the antibody fades out after vaccination is normal and not a problem.
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Technically you are correct that you don't get chicken pox again but the chicken pox virus stays with us and can ignite into shingles which you can also get again. As for Covid it has already gone through some mutations and the vaccine they develop now may need to be altered as the virus changes. It is all rather frightening.
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From what I have read about the mutations, none of them are the kind that changes the way the virus can use those spike to attach and infect our cells and the vaccine from Oxford and the one form Moderna both now entering into final phases of testing work by making a protien that keeps the virus from being able to us its attach mechanism and none of the mutations have changed it at that level. So in theory we keep hearing satements about how "a virus" such as types of influenza can change, and need new vaccines, in reality this is not the kinds of mutation that the COVID has gone through. It is however showing evidence of mutation that can resist our natural immune system which needs help from the vaccine on this one.
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The Moderna vaccine is a mRNA vaccine it is genetically coded to create the protein that our immune system uses to defeat the virus ability to infect our cells. There is no virus, dead or alive, nor any gentic parts or antigens from the virus injected. It is really rather amazing and has promise for curing certain kinds of cancer. It has already cured certain melenoma cancers by genetically coded mRNA that produces proteins designed specifically to stop the melenoma cancer cells in individual persons. Like a personalized custom cancer cure just for them.
The one from Oxford is also a protein using Chimpanzee cells and I have not read the details about how it works. I know that there are many vaccines being developed world wide and some are using the traditional methods and I have not heard about what level of success they are reporting.
Obviously the US government is convinced that the the Oxford Pfyzer and Moderna vaccines will work because they have already authorized billions of doses to be manufactured even though 3 phase testing of 30-40K patients just started. They are already confident based on Phase 2 success and are spending the money ahead of time.
I have also read that none of the safety testing is being skipped that they have been doing for decades. The speeding up process is all related to removing a myriad of bottlenecks that were unnecessary levels of waiting for approvals and just people not doing their jobs so that the whole process waits months over a step that takes a few days. Things like that do not jeopardize safety they simply improve the process and hopefully save thousands of lives by getting the vaccine out there so people can get it in time.
I just noticed that you can change your vote in the poll. I wonder if anyone will change their vote during the life of this thread based on the information that is posted by the posters? This should be interesting.
The one from Oxford is also a protein using Chimpanzee cells and I have not read the details about how it works. I know that there are many vaccines being developed world wide and some are using the traditional methods and I have not heard about what level of success they are reporting.
Obviously the US government is convinced that the the Oxford Pfyzer and Moderna vaccines will work because they have already authorized billions of doses to be manufactured even though 3 phase testing of 30-40K patients just started. They are already confident based on Phase 2 success and are spending the money ahead of time.
I have also read that none of the safety testing is being skipped that they have been doing for decades. The speeding up process is all related to removing a myriad of bottlenecks that were unnecessary levels of waiting for approvals and just people not doing their jobs so that the whole process waits months over a step that takes a few days. Things like that do not jeopardize safety they simply improve the process and hopefully save thousands of lives by getting the vaccine out there so people can get it in time.
I just noticed that you can change your vote in the poll. I wonder if anyone will change their vote during the life of this thread based on the information that is posted by the posters? This should be interesting.
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Aye, there's the rub. In view of all the lies that have been published over the years regarding vaccines (and recently exposed by the likes of Robert F. Kennedy Jr.), and all the lies which are an INTEGRAL PART of the Wuhan Virus Conspiracy, it would require a TOTALLY INDEPENDENT investigative commission to carefully examine the validity and the effectiveness of any vaccine being touted today.
Research is being fudged, numbers are being fudged, data is being manipulated, bogus papers are being published, lies are being spouted daily about this manufactured crisis. The ancient warning still stands : CAVEAT EMPTOR (BUYER BEWARE).
Research is being fudged, numbers are being fudged, data is being manipulated, bogus papers are being published, lies are being spouted daily about this manufactured crisis. The ancient warning still stands : CAVEAT EMPTOR (BUYER BEWARE).
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Never. Not because I am necessarily anti-vaccine, but because I don't take mandatory vaccines.
It's a slippery slope to yield ground to the government over what must legally be injected into our bodies. I think it's unChristian and doesn't fall under the Bible's clause that encourages Christians to yield to authorities. There are lines that can be crossed and legally requiring someone have a vaccine is a non-negotiable.
It's a slippery slope to yield ground to the government over what must legally be injected into our bodies. I think it's unChristian and doesn't fall under the Bible's clause that encourages Christians to yield to authorities. There are lines that can be crossed and legally requiring someone have a vaccine is a non-negotiable.
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By force a person to get a vaccine, I don't mean they'll send out vaccination squads to vaccinate people with dart guns. I mean they can set up consequences for those who refuse to get vaccines or wear a facemask; something that there is already a precedent for and happens, at least in the USA.
Using fear, coercion, punishment that threatens someone's livelihood at the expense of loss of quality of life is a form of forced compliance.
I didn't know this until now, but in 1905 there was a supreme court case called Jacobson vs. Massachusetts whereby the court mandated a vaccination can be legally required.
Does that answer your question?
Using fear, coercion, punishment that threatens someone's livelihood at the expense of loss of quality of life is a form of forced compliance.
I didn't know this until now, but in 1905 there was a supreme court case called Jacobson vs. Massachusetts whereby the court mandated a vaccination can be legally required.
Does that answer your question?
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Also, not to quibble, but you aren't positive. Not saying you are wrong, but you don't know that.
I don't pray about that everyday. Do you? Yes, it does worry me a little and I've lifted my concerns up to God already. The frequency of prayer, many words used, or eloquence are meaningless if they are just vain repetition.
I guess it's a question of what more can be brought before God aside from what was mentioned in one sincere prayer? God's got this. Praying every day about it is a sign of doubt in my view.
So I would say that most Christians with a mature understanding of prayer aren't praying about this by the 100's of millions on a daily basis. If they are they should examine themselves, stat.
I don't pray about that everyday. Do you? Yes, it does worry me a little and I've lifted my concerns up to God already. The frequency of prayer, many words used, or eloquence are meaningless if they are just vain repetition.
I guess it's a question of what more can be brought before God aside from what was mentioned in one sincere prayer? God's got this. Praying every day about it is a sign of doubt in my view.
So I would say that most Christians with a mature understanding of prayer aren't praying about this by the 100's of millions on a daily basis. If they are they should examine themselves, stat.
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