Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot

Hmm. So God who possesses all knowledge had to white out some names in a book He got wrong. It needed a bit of editing, he wasn't sure who would be chosen and who wouldn't.

He then doesn't do all things perfectly.

You may need to rethink that.

It is figurative language making a point, it isn't God editing the Book of Life.

Hmm. So God who possesses all knowledge had to white out some names in a book He got wrong.

You do realize you're arguing the Scripture and not someone's personal thoughts?

Picture language or not, what is so figurative about the notion of God getting angry at the tramplers of grace?

Similar thing happens in Christ's parable of inviting people to a wedding feast. In the beginning there was a "list" of wedding guests, God called His people and priests first, but since they paid Him no mind, then their names were crossed out and others called (Gentiles, whores, tax collectors). This wasn't an unforeseen surprise for God, so cynicism is uncalled for, it simply illustrates the chain of order and causality.

Except for the fact nowhere in that parable were names crossed off, nor was there a literal list, you're adding to the word. and aren't handling parables correctly.

God didn't edit the Book of Life, and he didn't cross off names invited to the wedding feast. That's just plain silly.

You're making the classic mistake of reading things into the text and missing the main point.

That and your hermeneuitcs are way off my friend.

I never said there was a literal list...
I said that you are the one who is taking it literally and then being cynical about it.
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Hmm. So God who possesses all knowledge had to white out some names in a book He got wrong. It needed a bit of editing, he wasn't sure who would be chosen and who wouldn't.

He then doesn't do all things perfectly.

You may need to rethink that.

It is figurative language making a point, it isn't God editing the Book of Life.

Lolzzzz...

Actually I argued against it being literal thus argued for it being figurative.

Oh, looky, here it is in my own words:



IMAGINE, real evidence that shows you're incorrect. Hmmmm.

So, why not try reading what I actually said and leave off the false accusations? I'd appreciate that.

You're the one who came up with a list and God crossing off names, so I went by what you said, which means I paid attention to your very words.

But do show where I argued it was literal.

I'll be waiting.

Just because something is recounted in picture language doesn't deny the existing causality behind it.
Even though there is no literal, earthly "book" for "editing", this fairly illustrates for us that God extended the offer of eternal life to more people that actually enter eternal life. (And there are multiple scriptures to argue that God extended His offer to all men.)

The reason there are cults, false churches, false gospels.....because people reject the inspired word of God....

Romans 10:9-10
But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved."

When taking all of the other scriptures, the promise that "if you confess with your mouth, etc." must then be speaking to those whose names that were written in the book of life before the world began, who were predestined.

Before the world began, God had all of the names throughout all of history of whom He chose and had them written in His book of life. When any of these people hear the word of God, the Spirit confirms the truth and God draws them to His Son and they respond in faith.

Those whose names were not written in the book of life before the world began, when they hear they will not come because God is not going to draw them to His Son.

"For God so loved the world (those whom He predestined) that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

I appreciate your response. Yet all too often calvinists walk around cold, smug and arrogant believing they are elite in some manner. You don’t seem to share those qualities so I applaud you for your humility.

Stirring the pot again..I see.tut,tut.

Stirring the pot again..I see.tut,tut.

[QUOTE="Duskey, post: . Yet all too often calvinists walk around cold, smug and arrogant believing they are elite in some manner.

Look at the pot stirring in those words.

Lets all stir the pot together!

John 15:16 ESV
You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.
Ephesians 1:4-5 ESV
Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,
Ephesians 1:4 ESV
Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love
Romans 8:28-30 ESV
And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
2 Thessalonians 2:13 ESV
But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth.
Acts 13:48 ESV
And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.
2 Timothy 1:9 ESV
Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,
Revelation 13:8 ESV
And all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
John 6:37 ESV
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
Romans 9:16 ESV
So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.
John 6:44 ESV
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
Mark 13:20 ESV
And if the Lord had not cut short the days, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, whom he chose, he shortened the days.
1 Peter 1:2 ESV
According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.
Matthew 22:14 ESV
For many are called, but few are chosen.”
Ephesians 1:11 ESV
In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,
Romans 9:11 ESV
Though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls—
Romans 9:1-33 ESV
I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit— that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh. They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen. ...
Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 8:29-30 ESV
For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
Ephesians 1:5 ESV
He predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,
Romans 8:33 ESV
Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies.
John 17:9 ESV
I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours.
2 Peter 1:10 ESV
Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall.
John 6:39 ESV
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.
Ephesians 2:8 ESV
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
John 17:6 ESV
“I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word.
Titus 1:1 ESV
Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the sake of the faith of God's elect and their knowledge of the truth, which accords with godliness,
Romans 11:2 ESV
God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel?
Luke 18:7 ESV
And will not God give justice to his elect, who cry to him day and night? Will he delay long over them?
Luke 10:22 ESV
All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, or who the Father is except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.”
Ephesians 2:1-3 ESV
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
Mark 13:27 ESV
And then he will send out the angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven.
Isaiah 42:1 ESV
Behold my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom my soul delights; I have put my Spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the nations.

John 15:16 ESV etc.

He certainly did not get wrong. God intended all human beings to receive eternal life, hence all names were written in the Book of Life.

And that is why the Tree of Life was in the Garden of Eden. Since Adam forfeited access to that tree, God had already planned to have the last Adam (Christ) bring the gift of eternal life to all mankind (through His finished work of redemption). And that is the reason for the Gospel, and for Romans 6:23.

But those who reject the Gospel, reject Christ, and persist in their wickedness are indeed blotted out of the Book of Life. Therefore Christ says that He will NOT blot out the names of the overcomers: He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the Book of Life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. (Rev 3:5)

When the books are opened at the Great White Throne Judgment, the Book of Life is also opened. And those who are not found in the Book of Life are cast into the Lake of Fire. But God is not willing that any should perish, hence the Gospel must be preached "to every creature" (Mk 16:15,16). The Bible says that God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked.

Moses knew that his name was in the Book of Life. But he was willing to have it blotted out of that book so that his Israelite brethren would be saved from Hell: Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy Book which thou hast written. And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my Book. (Exod 32:32,33)

Now that you have quoted these passages, you will need to properly interpret them in the light of ALL GOSPEL TRUTH and Bible truth. So go ahead and put everything in context. But you would need to start here:

Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. (Isa 45:22)

JOHN CALVIN'S COMMENTS
22. Look unto me. Hitherto he addressed the Jews alone, as if to them alone salvation belonged, but now he extends his discourse farther. He invites the whole world to the hope of salvation, and at the same time brings a charge of ingratitude against all the nations, who, being devoted to their errors, purposely avoided, as it were, the light of life; for what could be more base than to reject deliberately their own salvation? He therefore commands all "to look to him," and to the precept adds a promise, which gives it greater weight, and confirms it more than if he had made use of a bare command.

Regardless of any faults, Calvin was honest with his expositions.

John 15:16 ESV
You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.
Ephesians 1:4-5 ESV
Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,
Ephesians 1:4 ESV
Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love
Romans 8:28-30 ESV
And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
2 Thessalonians 2:13 ESV
But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth.
Acts 13:48 ESV
And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.
2 Timothy 1:9 ESV
Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,
Revelation 13:8 ESV
And all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
John 6:37 ESV
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
Romans 9:16 ESV
So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.
John 6:44 ESV
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
Mark 13:20 ESV
And if the Lord had not cut short the days, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, whom he chose, he shortened the days.
1 Peter 1:2 ESV
According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.
Matthew 22:14 ESV
For many are called, but few are chosen.”
Ephesians 1:11 ESV
In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,
Romans 9:11 ESV
Though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls—
Romans 9:1-33 ESV
I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit— that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh. They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen. ...
Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 8:29-30 ESV
For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
Ephesians 1:5 ESV
He predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,
Romans 8:33 ESV
Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies.
John 17:9 ESV
I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours.
2 Peter 1:10 ESV
Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall.
John 6:39 ESV
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.
Ephesians 2:8 ESV
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
John 17:6 ESV
“I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word.
Titus 1:1 ESV
Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the sake of the faith of God's elect and their knowledge of the truth, which accords with godliness,
Romans 11:2 ESV
God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel?
Luke 18:7 ESV
And will not God give justice to his elect, who cry to him day and night? Will he delay long over them?
Luke 10:22 ESV
All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, or who the Father is except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.”
Ephesians 2:1-3 ESV
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
Mark 13:27 ESV
And then he will send out the angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven.
Isaiah 42:1 ESV
Behold my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom my soul delights; I have put my Spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the nations.