Can a murderer enter into heaven ?

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AndyMaleh

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Asking this question is akin of asking a school teacher if you can pass a class after failing an exam. Sure you might still pass the class (i.e. go to heaven) through very hard work afterwards (i.e. repentance), but your chances are very slim after failing an exam (i.e. committing a deadly sin like murder). Why wonder about it in the first place!?! Just do your best to avoid failing an exam (i.e. abide by the commandments that Jesus Christ affirms), and you will more than likely pass the class (i.e. go to heaven). May God bless you.
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
What If they accidentally kill someone even after they have accepted JESUS will they go to heaven then?
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The big question here is if/how are we weighing sins? Are some sins worse than others? From a worldly perspective yes murder is worse than saying hateful words to your brother.
Everyone sins after accepting Jesus. People lie, say hateful things, etc. Are we going to start comparing and weighing sins like other religions? So logically speaking I think if some sins are forgiveable after we accept Jesus then all other sins could be forgivable.
 
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Going_Nowhere said:
I always wonder....if serial killers like Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer believed in Jesus and repented before they died....would they have gone to heaven?
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Yes. A lot of people believe even Hitler if he repented would go to Heaven.
 
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Matthew 5:22 says that anyone even so much as angry with someone else is subject to judgment. Once again the bar is raised to show us our inability to be perfect.

The only people who get to heaven, even someone guilty of a little ole measly lie, are by being forgiven and made righteous through faith in the saving grace of the life, death, and resurrection of Christ. I don't know any other way.
 
soberxp

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Chester said:
I clicked on the second of the links and it leads to :

Here is why God choose Israel only
and maps of the world picturing the male and female reproductive organs . . .

Really strange: I want nothing to do with this! Unless something is a mistake here . . .?
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To be honest, this question doesn't come from me. I don't know whether to say it or not. I heard a voice : can a muder enter into heaven that do away with a witness

杀人灭口的人能
I don't know the exact description in English

murder sb. to prevent divulgence of one's secrets; do away with a witness; kill all so that there won't be any eyewitness left; kill anyone who might produce evidence against one;
 
soberxp

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I read everyone's answers and they are very rational.
To sum up

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Those who confess their sins and repent can enter the kingdom of heaven

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Those who have not confessed and repented cannot enter the kingdom of heaven

so,what if a muder confessed their sin but don't know who is jesus and bible ?
 
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soberxp said:
so,what if a muder confessed their sin but don't know who is jesus and bible ?
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Many people will be quick to say that this person will immediately go to hell. However, I have a hard time believing that a person who doesn't know Jesus or the Bible will automatically go hell due to lack of knowledge. I think of Ann Frank and everyone at the Holocaust, all the native Americans who lived in the Americas for hundreds of years before the colonists came, etc. We know that God is a very just judge.
 
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We know Jesus thought that it was important for even the dead to know the Gospel. In the Bible, when Jesus had died on the cross, he went down to hell to preach the gospel so that the dead people could have chance to believe in Him. "For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit. (1 Peter 4:6)" I believe He will give everyone a chance to know Him somehow, through methods unknown to us.
 
AndyMaleh

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soberxp said:
I read everyone's answers and they are very rational.
To sum up

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Those who confess their sins and repent can enter the kingdom of heaven

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Those who have not confessed and repented cannot enter the kingdom of heaven

so,what if a muder confessed their sin but don't know who is jesus and bible ?
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Are you in that position? If not, why would you ask? That’s for the Lord to decide, not you or me. In fact, nothing that’s been said here is said without surrendering the final answer to the Lord who in the end giveth and taketh away. The point is about becoming immediately humble and meek upon hearing this and doing your best everyday to please the Lord as if your life was gonna end the following day. May God bless you with a very long faithful life full of doing good by the Lord’s people out of love for them and wanting to please the Lord.
 
Duskey

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Depends who they murdered 😎
 
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seed_time_harvest

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TheIndianGirl said:
Many people will be quick to say that this person will immediately go to hell. However, I have a hard time believing that a person who doesn't know Jesus or the Bible will automatically go hell due to lack of knowledge. I think of Ann Frank and everyone at the Holocaust, all the native Americans who lived in the Americas for hundreds of years before the colonists came, etc. We know that God is a very just judge.
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Romans 2:14-15
King James Version

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.
 
Lifted_by_the_word

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I wonder how many people missed the narrow path because of being deceived thinking their forgiveness came from the heart but in fact was only rooted in the mind.
 
soberxp

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AndyMaleh said:
Are you in that position? If not, why would you ask? That’s for the Lord to decide, not you or me. In fact, nothing that’s been said here is said without surrendering the final answer to the Lord who in the end giveth and taketh away. The point is about becoming immediately humble and meek upon hearing this and doing your best everyday to please the Lord as if your life was gonna end the following day. May God bless you with a very long faithful life full of doing good by the Lord’s people out of love for them and wanting to please the Lord.
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If abortion is murder, I am in this situation.
I feel guilty about this.

why would i ask?
Matthew 21:22
And all things, whatsoever ye shll ask in prayer,believing,ye shall receive.

so I prayed all human to be saved before

then once I heard a voice in my mind and asked me : can a muder enter into heaven that do away with a witness ?
I didn't answer that question at that time .
I don't know how to answer.
I'm a little confused
 
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seed_time_harvest

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Lifted_by_the_word said:
I wonder how many people missed the narrow path because of being deceived thinking their forgiveness came from the heart but in fact was only rooted in the mind.
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That would be an unusual deception because a persons own conscious will tell them If they are sincere or not but then again If they have some kind of mental Illness I can see how that could happen but there Is grace for them too because sin Is not Imputed where there Is no law.
 
Lifted_by_the_word

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seed_time_harvest said:
That would be an unusual deception because a persons own conscious will tell them If they are sincere or not but then again If they have some kind of mental Illness I can see how that could happen but there Is grace for them too because sin Is not Imputed where there Is no law.
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It's pretty common and not associated with a mental illness.More to do with the worldly mind.
 
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What ever sin except sin to the Holy Spirit are forgiveable if repent but if not repent, murder not go to heaven

Revelation 21:8
“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
 
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Lifted_by_the_word said:
It's pretty common and not associated with a mental illness.More to do with the worldly mind.
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I guess you could say,the world Is sick but GOD judges the Individual of his own sins and not Individuals according to them saying ,others are doing It too which when the world follows someone It’s call the latest trend,fad ect... which IS IMO a mental shortcoming but when I put the scripture there that says sin Is not Imputed where there Is no law I’m talking about the persons own conscience.
 
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Going_Nowhere said:
I always wonder....if serial killers like Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer believed in Jesus and repented before they died....would they have gone to heaven?
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Absolutely. That's what happen to the thief on the cross who realized his sin, knew that Jesus was innocent, and asked Jesus to remember him when He came into His kingdom.
 
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