Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot

There is a good reason that I wear a hat. Don't you be nawty now.

Here is another example of preacher twisting the word. When God says He is willing, He does not say I will MAKE you yet that is what YOU say.

what 11th said above does not mean universalism. That hue and cry is another over used Calvinism. No one is stating universalism.

Just you.

Actually, it is the reverse of what you have said.

All names were (are) written in the Book of Life until they were (are) blotted out (or removed) for unbelief, wickedness and rejection of the Gospel. God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

Let them [the evildoers] be blotted out* of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous. (Ps 69:28)

*Strong's Concordance
machah: abolish
Original Word: מָחָה
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: machah
Phonetic Spelling: (maw-khaw')
Definition: to wipe, wipe out

Brown-Driver-Briggs
I. מָחָה verb wipe, wipe out (Late Hebrew id.; Arabic

, efface, erase, cancel, obliterate;...

1. The Pharaoh scenario has been covered more than once in this thread and in others as well. Pharaoh's heart was hardened but it was the heart he already had. No scripture indicates God made Pharaoh into a despot. He was already a despot.

2. Willeth meaning a person cannot will their salvation or cause God to bestow it and runneth meaning you cannot attain it through works.

showeth mercy? meaning we can do nothing to obtain that mercy other than receive what God is giving to those who respond

poor exegesis is well explained in your original post

you're welcome

Umm can you explain what he meant... how does therefore change anything?

I think it is more like trying to discredit me, but to my ears it sounds more like desperation.

finding out who we are and how we interpret things as opposed to the way that the world
would view us as us and our thinking,- wow, what a deep valley to cross over!!???
how many of us are willing to go there???
it's a very great challenge!!!...
actually, hub and I think that the only way to get a 'leg-up', is through Christ's Loving Heart/Calling...
just our opinion from decades of living out of His Will/Words, and then living in' His Will/Words...

Hello Lenna!

Actually, though scripture states that everlasting fire (lake of fire) was created for Satan and his angels, the wicked will also end up in the same place. Below is an example regarding the sheep and the goats:

"Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

And the verse below is in reference to all of the unrighteous dead throughout all of history who are resurrected out of Hades after the millennial kingdom and at the great white throne judgment.

"And if anyone was found whose name was not written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

Regarding the rest, you are correct in that God does not take pleasure in the destruction of the wicked, but unless they act on His plan of salvation through faith in His Son, eternal punishment in the lake of fire is where they will end up.

Agree...

And obviously the it is clear that the gift is available to all, but not necessarily received.

I see that you are not comprehending this. God did not create people to throw into the lake of fire. So, get that response out of your head. That said, neither did God interfere with man's free will. They will go into the lake of fire simply because they have sinned. As I said in the earlier post, no one is entitled to salvation. If God wanted to, He would be righteous in letting everyone go into the lake of fire and that because all have sinned. However, because God loved the world (those whom He chose to save) He provided a way of salvation for them through His Son. Jesus became a human being so that He could represent us, as a human being without sin, One who met the righteous requirements of the law and One who took God's wrath upon himself on behalf of every believer, satisfying it completely. Those whom He did not chose for salvation from before the world began will simply be punished because of their sins.

Regardless of what you believe, scriptures states that God wrote the names of those whom He chose to save in His book from out of all of history. Likewise, there were some that He didn't write in His book. You still haven't given an explanation of Revelation 17:8.

God is not carrying out Calvinism. He is carrying out His own word.

Sure.

First of all, the word 'therefore' indicates a conclusion on the foregoing. For example chapter 5 actually begins with the word therefore, meaning what comes after that is the conclusion of what went before in chapter 4. Like this:

end of chp 4, v 25 '25 He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.

chp 5 starts with the word THEREFORE, meaning BECAUSE of v25, we can conclude the following , cph 5

(sorry it took so long, I had to take care of something)

If that isn't clear or I misunderstood, let me know

Hmm. So God who possesses all knowledge had to white out some names in a book He got wrong. It needed a bit of editing, he wasn't sure who would be chosen and who wouldn't.

He then doesn't do all things perfectly.

You may need to rethink that.

It is figurative language making a point, it isn't God editing the Book of Life.

EH,
WOW, what an 'understatement'...

Thanks .. so not any different then the typical "therefore" used in everyday life...

I thought he had a super, duper, special, ultra profound meaning I was missing.

Thank you. I have made that exact point many times. Glad you see that also.

It's not in my head. You have me confused with someone else.

Correct. God is not carrying out Calvinism. He does carry out His word, but without the slant Calvinism gives it. So call it what you will, but if you see the Bible through the lens of Calvinism, then you are agreeing with them.

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nah.

preacher seems to be a legend in his own mind

He still cannot answer properly and resorts to mocking and laughing. I mean no one could say more than he says about himself.

It's not just a question of what a person believes, but the way they respond to others. I don't agree with all Ahwatukee says, but the man is polite enough to be able to engage him. That's a debate.

Having one's name blotted out simply mean you are not going to Heaven. Nothing complex about this. We do choke on gnats, don't we.

I don't believe that Nehemiah! That is a false teaching that was brought in-part by Tim Lahaye. Rev.13:8 and 17:8 make it very clear that there were names that were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world. By stating this, the scripture also infers that there were names written in His book before the world began. Therefore, the idea of every persons name being written and then blotted out throughout history is not supported. The fact that it states that names were never even written before the world began, would do away with that idea.

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really, it's not a 'debate, not ever, he is, well, although we Love him, he is (outside of Christ's reality), at least
this is our opinion...

He doeth all things well. !!. No need to rethink anything !!!!, PTL!