Not By Works

I agree, and I will say that if limited atonement is in scripture, then I cannot find it...

Maybe it’s found using a marking pen to edit some sentences out.

Yeah, looks like you would have to mark a whole lot out, to draw that conclusion....lol

He thinks they were never were saved to begin with

Wow, still see a lot of "baiting" in posts from the usual suspects. They hide the baiting under the guise of "they"

As for my earlier post about salvation and choice, I stand by it. We have free will to accept the most precious gift of all, the free will to stand by our convictions, and the free will to take the bait or not.

And the tragic truth....some on this site are indeed peddling the doctrine of a man invented by a man over the word of God....they will deny it, come across all sweet and seemingly biblical and people weak in the faith are taking it in like a sunfish in a pond with a nice, delectable looking worm on a new shiney hook....oblivious to the danger of being led astray.

Amen.....we have the mind of Christ and it speaks volumes to the 20th power if we will just believe it and not embellish it with the spewings of man from the 1500's!

Amen.......God would have ALL MEN be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.

And a sheep that has wandered....NOT A GOAT needing to be made a SHEEP....TO THE FOLLOWING misapplication of truth.....

Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
God wants us to come to Him? Then what about Matthew 18:12-14 where it shows He actively pursues His lost sheep?

Exactly what they peddle......My bible says clearly God would have ALL be saved......not just the Calvinists....!

One of about three or four "go to arguments" because their doctrine does not measure up......think about this....he makes this argument in the same manner as those that peddle a self sustained salvation...I.E. we can sin all we want because we rightfully believe in eternal security........

Many are called, few chosen

God would have ALL MEN be saved, come to repentance, knowledge of the truth

For God so loved the KOSMOS

Those three right there in context proves Calvinism to be false....as well as a few posters on this thread

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH WOW.....to use your verbiage...this is rich!!!!

Yep. People need to learn that saved isn't always in reference to eternal life salvation.

The poster you just addressed openly admits he is a Calvinist, which is not biblical....like I said.....guess the Lord's churches got it wrong for some 1500 years before this ex-Catholic named Calvin came along.......similar to Joseph Smith, Charles Russell and a few others....Johnny come lately and his errors are still being pushed as gospel truth.

@tourist ...
No disrespect to you , but your comment is not very nice , I mean the man cannot even defend himself against your comment...
What will you do when in heaven , would you turn your back on him ? , this is what Jesus says

John 13:34
A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so also you must love one another.

I can understand people debating Scripture , and not agreeing with each other , but this was personal...
...xox...

Actually, it is tragic, she is being led astray.......!

This is one example of how I see others putting demands on God; He must do this, or He must do that, and since He elects whom He wills, then He isn't fair, and then if He isn't fair He can't be God. Then to top that off I heard something like no one here believes that or teaches that or whatever.

Oh, but they do.

Job had limited information.....we have the mind of Christ and a complete revelation!

Amen?

Please tell me you do not believe this?

It does not empty the cross of the power.

Remember Jesus said he must be lifted up and as moses lifted up the seprent in the wilderness so must man be lifted up so that whoever believes.

The children of Israel had to chose in faith to look up at the serpent on the pole.. They looked up. Like you and I looked up to the cross in faith.

Did they Earn their salvation because they looked to the serpent?

No. No more than we can EARN salvation by looking to the cross[/QUOTE]

Amen.....the bible is FULL OF PROOF that men MUST MAKE A DECISION AND CHOOSE.......from front to back it is about CHOICE. EVEN JESUS as a MAN HAD TO CHOOSE!

but that is just an argument using what you believe

it does not make it a fact.

Again, When it comes to Gods love, It is not a demand, It is an outpouring of his love to all.

Its not a demand, It is an expecting him to hold up to his own character and also living up to what he demands from us, WHich is to love all unconditionally.