The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

You have been show this biblical truth several times, yes Jesus Christ taught "The Last Day" resurrection, Lararus was not resurrected but "Raised From The Dead" as "The Last Day" is a future event.

No further response to the folly.

John 6:40KJV
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:23-24KJV
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

Hmmm. Are you saying that Jesus was not "resurrected," but only "raised from the dead," as though the two phrases refer to wholly distinct things (tho we know that OUR bodily resurrection is yet future, for those of us who will have DIED before that point ).


Consider the following:

"then let this be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed." - Acts 4:10


"After He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this. Then they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken." - John 2:22


"Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David, as proclaimed by my gospel," - 2 Timothy 2:8


"But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?" - 1 Corinthians 15:12


[each of these verses using "raised [G1453]" and the last verse using also "resurrection [G386]"]



If Christ was "raised from the dead," was He "resurrected"?

Lazarus dead body that was in gravesclothes was raised from the dead, simple and very easy to understand as seen below.

John 11:43-44KJV
43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

Those that came out of the grave after "His Resurrection" were raised from the dead, just as Lazarus and Tabitha were raised, in human bodies that were to die again.

Its you who has added to scripture, in the false claim that those who came out of the grave were "Resurrected"

The Resurrection of those who have died in faith takes place on "The Last Day" as Jesus Christ taught, John 6:40, 5:28-29, 11:23-24

So what are you trying to say now? Are you saying that Jesus wasn't the FIRSTFUITS of them that SLEPT? Are you trying to say that only Jesus rose and the rest of the OT saints are still SLEEPING?

Can't wait to hear his explanation on this. Of course the term "sleeping" referred to those waiting in Hades for Christ to come. Thank goodness He came and freed them and we no longer have to "sleep" or "wait" to be united with Him. PRAISE JESUS and THANK GOD for restoring all things to us!!! What a completely different experience we will have compared to the OT Saints.

Raised from the dead = resurrected.

I think many people don't realize the full meaning of being "raised from the dead." Jesus wasn't just raised from physical death, He was also raised from Hades. It is the raising from Hades which was His resurrection. It is in Hades where the dead were found. So Christ was raised from Hades (the realm of the dead) and He returned to our physical realm as a spiritual being and as the FIRSTFRUITS of the resurrection to follow. Hades was the outcome of the original sin in the Garden of Eden. Christ and only Christ's body was capable of becoming a spiritual body because it was of God and thus perfect without sin and not allowed to become corrupted (Acts 2:37).

Spiritual death = separation from God.

Hades is where the separation, or spiritual death occurred. There were two sides to Hades, the good side where Abraham and all the other OT saints were sent called Paradise, and the bad side, where Judas and all the lost people went. The two parts of Hades were separated by an un-crossable gulf or divide. Jesus went to the Paradise side and for 3 days He ministered to those on the bad side so that when He returned those who believed, would be saved and resurrected out of Hades.

When Christ returned in 66-70 AD, He raised all the believers out of Paradise and they are now in heaven. This was the first resurrection, AKA the resurrection of the Just. This is when Christ defeated Hades and Death. Christ defeats spiritual death, not physical death. This was "the restoration of all things." Paradise was closed as the connection to God was restored by the redeeming work on the Cross. The damage done to the human race in the garden was repaired for all believers, past, present and future.

Today when a believer dies, that believer immediately goes to heaven and does not have to "sleep" or wait in Hades anymore. I believe the believer already has his spiritual body under his "tent" (earthly body) as both Peter and Paul taught. So, when the believer gets to heaven and his/her deeds are judged it is at that moment this person is glorified to the degree they deserve per 1 Cor 15.

Christ, and only Christ's body, did not see corruption as Peter teaches in Acts 2. Paul makes clear in 1 Cor 15 that the rest of us with flesh bodies, those bodies are corrupt and cannot enter heaven. This is the point that our friend Thruth7t7 doesn't yet understand. He thinks God is keeping those OT saints body-less in heaven for these thousands of years and that they, along with other futurists, are waiting for yet another return of Christ whereby their corrupted flesh body somehow regenerates into something it isn't and somehow can become pure so that original body, soul and spirit can finally become one again after being divided these many thousands of years. He believes that even today when a believer dies, their soul and spirit go to heaven as bodyless blobs and they too are "waiting for Godot."

Truth ignores the story of Lazarus and the Rich Man. Here the Rich Man can see, have thirst and experience pain. Bodyless souls cannot do that. Thus everyone with a flesh body also has a spiritual body already invisible under their tent. This was always the case. Truth also ignores all those who have had near death experiences NDEs, and have given their eye witness accounts as to having seen their loved ones in heaven, young again WITH BODIES and recognizable. And since these temporarily dead could see, they had their spiritual body already too but were not yet glorified. Today when we die, we slip out of our body and can look down upon it and see those around our body as we float up. You need eyes and a brain to recall and recount this experience. But since this evidence doesn't fit Truth's false narrative and the traditions of man he believes in, he simply ignores it and resorts to name shaming.

If you remember, when Jesus was resurrected, He told His disciples that He was not yet glorified but He clearly was in His spiritual body as He could walk through walls, appear and disappear. Jesus also bore the marks of His Cross experience. The rest of us will not bare any marks suffered during our life. If we were burned up in a flaming car crash, in heaven, nobody could tell. This is the best explanation I can come up with as I believe it harmonize all passages perfectly.

Hi Runningman!

What you are talking about above means that Satan and the powers of darkness are doing their intended job.

One of the major problems that I continue to experience is that even when you provide scripture after scripture, people still refuse to budge from what they have adopted.

Satan doesn't even need to do much to deceive. He just needs to find people to introduce the false teaching and then sit back and watch it spread, like a virus. This type of thing was already permeating the church, such as with Hymenaeus and Philetus who were teaching that the resurrection had already taken place, which Paul said was godless chatter, would spread like gangrene, that they were destroying the faith of some and that they had wondered away from the truth. We have those among us today referred to as preterist, meaning that they believe that most if not all end-time events found in Matt.24 and all of Revelation have already taken place, including the resurrection. They completely ignore all reasoning from scripture in support of the poison that they have swallowed.

Their rejection of the plain truth of God's word, just makes you shake your head in amazement! Forgive me, I'm ranting now! Take the Amillennialist for example who directly reject the word of God which states six times the words "a thousand years" and instead jump out of context and apply the meaning of a thousand from Psalm 50:10 where God says, "for every animal of the forest is mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills." We are definitely seeing the following scripture being fulfilled:

"Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

True deception is when you don't even know that you have been deceived.

That position is unneccessary.

Jesus said "destroy this temple and in 3 days I will raise it up"

There is the heart of the matter.
IOW...even if a perfect man could be found to occupy the cross,that man could not resurrect.
Only God can resurrect himself.

That is how death is defeated.
Death is no longer permanent. It has been defeated.
Resurrection of Jesus/resurrection of Lazarus.

One was God/one was man to die again.

Those that die in Christ go to heaven,but their bodies are fetched later.

Not clear why,but Jesus ate and drank.
As he declared over the disciples " I go to heaven to prepare a place for you where we will drink wine together"

Ooops only pretrib rapture fits that!!!

We alone harmonize with the word. Us pretribs with our bibles

The bible says that whosoever lives and believes in Jesus will never die. That kind of blows "the dead in Christ" as being post Christ Christians out of water.

(Joh 11:26) And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

If post Christ Christians never die, then who were the dead in Christ?

I'm forewarning you PW, this is a set up lol. When did this verse happen, specifically, when did the voice of the Bridegroom cease from the cities of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem?

(Jer 7:34) Then will I cause to cease from the cities of Judah, and from the streets of Jerusalem, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride: for the land shall be desolate.

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Yes, I do believe the word "G386 - anastasis - resurrection" refers to a "physical / bodily resurrection" ('to stand again').

Agreed.

Thanks.

That position is unneccessary.

Jesus said "destroy this temple and in 3 days I will raise it up"

There is the heart of the matter.
IOW...even if a perfect man could be found to occupy the cross,that man could not resurrect.
Only God can resurrect himself.

That is how death is defeated.
Death is no longer permanent. It has been defeated.
Resurrection of Jesus/resurrection of Lazarus.

One was God/one was man to die again.

Those that die in Christ go to heaven,but their bodies are fetched later.

Not clear why,but Jesus ate and drank.
As he declared over the disciples " I go to heaven to prepare a place for you where we will drink wine together"

Ooops only pretrib rapture fits that!!!

We alone harmonize with the word. Us pretribs with our bibles

LOL you talk about Paul warning and speaking about how the resurrection had not taken place. You understand he was still writing before 70 ad right. You realize that right? You speak of the "Their rejection of the plain truth of God's word, just makes you shake your head in amazement! Forgive me, I'm ranting now! Take the Amillennialist for example who directly reject the word of God which states six times the words "a thousand years" and instead jump out of context and apply the meaning of a thousand from Psalm 50:10"

Yet refuse to address the 3rd temple dilemma. Your view requires "Gods temple" to be in service, full swing, sacrifices, priest, everything that was pointing to Jesus right? But did He not say in these last days He has spoken to us through the Son? We have scripture and are told that anyone that adds to it will be cursed as much as you can be. Right? Yet nowhere in His word has He commanded us to build a temple. Is a temple build outside Gods command really God's temple? If God now speaks to someone and commands them to build the temple, does that mean scripture is still open? Does that mean we might want to go back and look into Joseph Smith, or the Watchtower to make sure it wasn't God that was directing them? And to me the biggest question at all how on earth does it follow at all that re-instituting a system that it's whole existence and purpose was fulfilled in full by Jesus our Christ, makes any sense at all after He is here? This is just scratching the surface of issues I have with your view, and this one alone COMPLETELY DESTROYS you whole view. So with your 1,000 year dilemma in comparison looks like you are throwing rocks from your glass porch, at the US military.

I've brought this up to you several times and it has always been completely ignored, maybe this time you can straighten my mind out on this matter once and for all because again, with all due respect, this dilemma completely make your view here impossible with no chance at all.....And even if you are right and it is so, I think it makes God seem unsure, not very efficient, and a horrible communicator. To say to people-

"Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away."

But really mean- "Hey guys these things I am addressing to "YOU", yes truly to YOU, well...they aren't really for you at all. They are really for a generation that is generations and generations into the future, so when I say "this generation shall not pass away until ALL these things take place", know I am in no way referring to "this generation", I'm talking about Ahwatukee's generation a long long time from now. So don't worry be happy, this stuff I'm saying is "TRULY ABOUT THIS GENERATION", is not in fact truly about you or this generation. Just please make sure you write this stuff down.

So please don't act all high and mighty like your view doesn't look like Swiss cheese it's self, and have some sympathy for a brother with the wrong idea, help me to clear up how a 3rd temple is even a possibility, because I can't see it, not to mention how 70 AD completely matches up with the end of the Mosaic, sacrificial age, not at all with any kind future possibility. Thanks and have a great day.

Bodies are dead...next

So what are you trying to say now? Are you saying that Jesus wasn't the FIRSTFUITS of them that SLEPT? Are you trying to say that only Jesus rose and the rest of the OT saints are still SLEEPING?

Well done Jim. I'm really starting to like you, in a brotherly way of course.

Can I add one thing along your theme? Paul wrote to the Thessalonians to comfort them through all the persecutions they were enduring at the hands of disbelieving Jews around them. Paul promised them rest when Jesus returned in flaming vengeance. But if you listen to these futurists, the Thessalonians were out of luck, up the creek without a paddle, no rest for the weary, sorry boys. The beatings will continue until moral improves. These futurists actually have stolen this comfort and taken it for themselves as if Paul was writing to them.

Oh and in the Olivet the disciples weren't going to get beaten and hauled into synagogues and before kings and the HS wasn't going to give them any words to say, that also was stolen by the futurists for themselves.

LOL. Nice try. In Jeremiah's day and the passage you cited, it happened at the fall of Judah and Jerusalem to the Babylonians in the 6th century BC. The similar passage in Rev 18 happened from 67-70 AD.