Not By Works

Jesus answered, "My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me. Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own."
John 7:16-17

God desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

For I take no pleasure in anyone's death, declares the Lord GOD. So repent and live!

I have read the bible through and through 3 times and I am on my 4th go around. I by the power of the HS understand what Paul was saying.

wifull:

G1596


ἑκουσίως


hekousiōs


hek-oo-see'-oce


Adverb from the same as G1595; voluntarily: - wilfully, willingly.

Total KJV occurrences: 2



willfull:

adjective

obstinately; Perversely self-willed

If you are trying to "reason" with her, you have already lost. It cannot be done

Every Born Again Christian, because the Holy Spirit brings Deep CONVICTION, and the NATURE of our HUMAN SPIRIT is to CONFESS ALL SIN.

If you have NEVER FELT DEEP CONVICTION from the HOLY SPIRIT, and you truly are Born Again, Your Day is Coming.

You just don’t get what we are saying Dottie. Free choice is for the unredeemed. Those born from above have come to the Lord for salvation from self-sin. God is the One who works within drawing us, we surrender, and our nature of sin that we are born into is put to death by an action of the Cross and blood of Jesus. And we are instantly changed. The results of this act usually is witnessing of salvation to anyone who will listen.

Paul says...It’s no longer I (our ego) that lives but Christ that lives in me.

Calvinism is the organization of God's word. A Systematic organization, though not perfect far exceeds an unorganized system.

Man is fallible, Calvin is fallible ... yet God gave us teachers for a reason. The wisdom of many is superior to the wisdom of the one.

The wisdom of trained scholars, though fallible, is superior the the wisdom of the lesser trained one.

We don't know follow Calvin, we try to follow God and one tool to do that is an organized, systematized, well thought out, peer reviewed method.

Tell us of your method of understanding God and how it is superior to the ideas I conveyed.

Aside: I repeat, all systems of understanding are flawed; but no system of understanding must be more flawed and inferior.

2 peter 1:20 But understand this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of or comes from one’s own [personal or special] interpretation,
Psalm 15:22 Plans fail for lack of counsel, but with many advisers they succeed.

Yes, I will agree that Gods correction hurts when needful. But, to say that God told you is equal to prophecy. That was your own perception.

However, I did understand your explanation.

Marriage is not father-sin, mother-daughter.

In your haste to prove me wrong Dottie, you aren’t thinking.

I see. So you speak and read Hebrew?

Am not reading the whole post for this reason...

Choose whom you shall serve. You aren’t the only one who posts “serve”.

Slaves".........to the law serve. OT

Sons.........heirs of the house. NT

Also the LORD DISCIPLINES HIS CHILDREN. If you do not feel like you are being disciplined, they I think you are not Born Again, because he does not discipline the children that are not HIS own, and have been deceived by the devil.

Hebrews 12:5-13 (NRSV)
5 And you have forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as children— "My child, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, or lose heart when you are punished by him;
6 for the Lord disciplines those whom he loves, and chastises every child whom he accepts."
7 Endure trials for the sake of discipline. God is treating you as children; for what child is there whom a parent does not discipline?
8 If you do not have that discipline in which all children share, then you are illegitimate and not his children.
9 Moreover, we had human parents to discipline us, and we respected them. Should we not be even more willing to be subject to the Father of spirits and live?
10 For they disciplined us for a short time as seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share his holiness.
11 Now, discipline always seems painful rather than pleasant at the time, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
12 Therefore lift your drooping hands and strengthen your weak knees,
13 and make straight paths for your feet, so that what is lame may not be put out of joint, but rather be healed.

My apology.

Perhaps he was in Abraham’s bosom. Two parts of hell. Wicked and bosom. Jesus released them and took them to heaven..

Man, did you mess that definition up. That is the strangest explanation of Calvinism that I have ever heard. I only believe in 3 points of Calvinism. So 5 Point Calvinist, disown me, and because I believe in 3 of the Points of Calvinism, the Armenians will not have anything to do with me either.

I LIKE IT A LOT, BECAUSE THEY NOW CAN BOTH CALL ME A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN, because we evangelicals Buried that CALVINISTS VS. ARMENIANS ARGUMENT in the early 80's, so quit digging that dead body up already. REST IN PEACE! SO MUCH FOR ANCIENT HISTORY OF THE CALVINIST & ARMENIAN ARGUMENT.

I'm on my 5th go around myself. Just read some more tonight. Good stuff for sure.

My reply is to the first comment. God saved us of course. We are saved by His grace. Our debt is paid in full. Although we are accountable for our deeds. We will answer for what we've done during our lifetime on the day of Judgement. It's like this. If you do something wrong to someone you know, example: father, mother, brother, spouse, etc. Someone close to you. You know they will forgive you. Because they usually do. But just because they forgive you and you know that it hurts them, you not only say sorry but not do it again. Forgiveness is there. But, you also have to fight the good fight for God's forgiveness. Not take his mercy for granted. Giving number 1 priority to God in your life as a Christian. You have to fight for reconciliation with Jesus. Avoid sinning against Him. Is what I feel about that.

It always pays to check profiles of members you are not familiar with.

test

It is exactly what you said. Now, 'I may have interpreted what you said incorrectly' or 'you may not meant to say what you wrote, but it is a direct quote'.


Why are you accusing me of lying again. It is a direct quote. You said it, that is what quote means. This is the second time you have accused me of lying. Did you ever think it might be just a mistake on my part .... or a mistake on your part?

Hey, I think you are a well meaning guy, but words have meaning ... stop the false accusations against me for lying. I don't think you mean to say these things out of malice ... I think you are unable to articulate your thoughts at times and this causes confusion and that is exasperated by inferring people are lying.

... ANYWAYS, if I made an incorrect statement about something which I admit I do though I try not to, feel free to state your opinion ... but stop inferring I am purposely being untruthful.

Again, you take things too personal. People who disagree with you are lying or being disingenuous. Perhaps the problem is you say "A" and mean "B" and when someone reads your post and sees "A" and talks about "A" you think they are lying because you thought you were talking about "B". Or perhaps you posted about "A" and the person misinterpreted and thought you meant "B" and responds to "B". Hey, mistakes happen. Stop thinking the worst of people and assume they are lying. I assume you would never intentionally lie (I could be wrong, others don't agree) ... but I giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Aside: Most of my post was not directed to you ... I just used it as a jumping off point to discuss issues of "those who believe God elected them because they chose God". To tell you the truth, I am not sure where you stand as your posts have been confusing and I tired of trying to make sense of them.
Aside: Again, I think you are a good guy ... I apologize to a degree for this tough post ... but being accused of dishonestly rattled my cage.

Re:
Eternally-gratefull said:
God said I will go and pay for sin, and these people who will come to faith and ask me to save them, I chose or elect to save.

I am looking at this quote again to see if I made some sort of comprehension mistake.

Hmmmmm...
I am almost certain you believe God died for everyone (note: if this is incorrect don't accuse me of lying, this is my best guess and you can correct me if I am wrong)
Hmmm ... God won't die for everyone ... oh, I give up .... your previous posts on the subject left me scratching my head so I won't be able to unscramble it now ... I apologize for accidentally saying something that you think was a lie even though I have no clue what you are talking about ... I will assume you don't just throw out the word 'liar' casually or in anger