Is there really demons, angels and a Devil or is God in control of these things himself? Us and Him.

So in effect if God knows everything, and provides boundaries for Satan, doesnt that mean that He was in control when Satan tempted Adam, and when Satan tempted Jesus?

If in Job it says that Satan presents himself before God and God gives him clear instructions and boundaries, doesn't that mean that God is in control?
Isn't this a parable like all of the scripture? God reveals himself in a mystery so the people that seek him during their life can be given multifaceted wisdom and become friends of God, like Abraham.

If God is unlimited in power and nothing is impossible; if things are predestined and foreknown, can't you conclude that even if God creates and leaves things alone, in knowing that all things will happen in the future, if he creates someone, won't they fulfil everything that He chooses to happen? That means there is no freedom of choice because God has predestined us.

There are counter-arguments to this... but when you reconcile scripture doesn't is suggest that God makes us obedient or disobedient and we can only be saved (Scarcely) if he chooses for that to happen?

I need some guidance on this matter.

Negus

God created all things, even evil.

If in Job it says that Satan presents himself before God and God gives him clear instructions and boundaries, doesn't that mean that God is in control?
Isn't this a parable like all of the scripture? God reveals himself in a mystery so the people that seek him during their life can be given multifaceted wisdom and become friends of God, like Abraham.

If God is unlimited in power and nothing is impossible; if things are predestined and foreknown, can't you conclude that even if God creates and leaves things alone, in knowing that all things will happen in the future, if he creates someone, won't they fulfil everything that He chooses to happen? That means there is no freedom of choice because God has predestined us.

There are counter-arguments to this... but when you reconcile scripture doesn't is suggest that God makes us obedient or disobedient and we can only be saved (Scarcely) if he chooses for that to happen?

I need some guidance on this matter.

Negus

Where is that in Scripture?

If in Job it says that Satan presents himself before God and God gives him clear instructions and boundaries, doesn't that mean that God is in control?
Isn't this a parable like all of the scripture? God reveals himself in a mystery so the people that seek him during their life can be given multifaceted wisdom and become friends of God, like Abraham.

If God is unlimited in power and nothing is impossible; if things are predestined and foreknown, can't you conclude that even if God creates and leaves things alone, in knowing that all things will happen in the future, if he creates someone, won't they fulfil everything that He chooses to happen? That means there is no freedom of choice because God has predestined us.

There are counter-arguments to this... but when you reconcile scripture doesn't is suggest that God makes us obedient or disobedient and we can only be saved (Scarcely) if he chooses for that to happen?

I need some guidance on this matter.

Negus

If in Job it says that Satan presents himself before God and God gives him clear instructions and boundaries, doesn't that mean that God is in control?
Isn't this a parable like all of the scripture? God reveals himself in a mystery so the people that seek him during their life can be given multifaceted wisdom and become friends of God, like Abraham.

If God is unlimited in power and nothing is impossible; if things are predestined and foreknown, can't you conclude that even if God creates and leaves things alone, in knowing that all things will happen in the future, if he creates someone, won't they fulfil everything that He chooses to happen? That means there is no freedom of choice because God has predestined us.

There are counter-arguments to this... but when you reconcile scripture doesn't is suggest that God makes us obedient or disobedient and we can only be saved (Scarcely) if he chooses for that to happen?

I need some guidance on this matter.

Negus

If in Job it says that Satan presents himself before God and God gives him clear instructions and boundaries, doesn't that mean that God is in control?
Isn't this a parable like all of the scripture? God reveals himself in a mystery so the people that seek him during their life can be given multifaceted wisdom and become friends of God, like Abraham.

If God is unlimited in power and nothing is impossible; if things are predestined and foreknown, can't you conclude that even if God creates and leaves things alone, in knowing that all things will happen in the future, if he creates someone, won't they fulfil everything that He chooses to happen? That means there is no freedom of choice because God has predestined us.

There are counter-arguments to this... but when you reconcile scripture doesn't is suggest that God makes us obedient or disobedient and we can only be saved (Scarcely) if he chooses for that to happen?

I need some guidance on this matter.

Negus

There are counter-arguments to this... but when you reconcile scripture doesn't is suggest that God makes us obedient or disobedient and we can only be saved (Scarcely) if he chooses for that to happen?

Where is that in Scripture?

Blik believes good cannot exist without evil. Kind of like the yin/yang perhaps? I am not sure. It is like saying God does
not exist alone, or that there is by necessity some evil within God, which we know is not true according to Scripture.

God has created good and very good. In doing so, bad and very bad became possible. God
authored the good and very good. He only authored the possibility of bad and very bad.

He also defines what is good, and what is evil. He Himself alone is good.

There is another side to the job God and satan story though, true God gave him the ok to do these things to job but satan also said he would turn on God and it was kind of a bet, God allowed this not because he knew what would happen but because he knew Job's heart.
If Job had spoke against god which at one point he almost he did then God would have lost that bet but satan in his arragonce thought he knew job better.

Think of it this way, if there was no free will and if God preordained every choice every person was going to make then why does he command one to obey? if we either were going to obey or not he wouldn't bother saying anything, if we were going to be saved or not be saved then why is salvation called a gift?
A gift is not forced on you and you are not obligated to receive it.

How both God and devil works is not by force but by influence it is a chess game between the two and we are the pieces if free will was not a thing then they would not operate by influence, guidance or temptation faith or doubt fear or courage willing or unwilling.
All these things are all over the bible and spoken and taught but what do all these things have in common? They are influence.
The reason God does not control us like puppets is because he treasures a willing heart not a controlled one, he treasures a child who loves and adores him not by force or by mere obedience but because they want to because real love is done by the motivation of ones heart otherwise is it really love?

God had the angels and even satan before his fall but they knew him they were with him, however we didn't know him and were not with him so how much more beautiful and precious is it to have children of your own design love you for you even if they barely know you?

There's a lot more to it than meets the eye, there is much mystery surrounding the spiritual world.

I often wonder if the spiritual beings that came to earth where from a place that stands still.

I often wonder that when theese spiritual being come into close proximity of a person , because where from a place that doesn't stand still there is some sort of energy field that opens up between past present and future.

Where by there time, is still standing still but out time is still moving forward.

It could be some sort of energy clash that happens and enables your future to be seen

Maybe as well something that theese creatures can see too.