Not By Works

Statement 1: I have no sin.

Statement 2: I have ceased from sin.

And you think the above statements are the same?!

Yes, you are right; End of discussion!

How so?

In your view you must finish by good behavior what Jesus started, so have you truly humbled yourself to Him?

Romans 8:30 that those He has justified He will also Glorify.

I see no exceptions.

You do not humbly take Jesus at His word, nor accept His promises.

Sin dwells in the flesh.

Destroy the flesh, destroy sin.

I nowhere claimed that... I said that you suggested this, by claiming fighting sin is kind of equal for atheists and Christians... according to you both groups have power to fight off sin because it all comes down to personal willpower and choice.

Did you understand that word "humble" Dottie

I know a false teacher/doctrine when I see it spoken in words on this site. If you want to support Dottie or any false teacher/doctrine, go for it. As for me, I'll stand on the Word of God.

One does not have to be God to recognize a false teacher..... false according to His written word.

my point was - we don't know, do we? we are not God ( all- knowing).

nevertheless, we will each do as we feel is right hopefully. if that is what we do, God will see each of us doing this and understand (God looks on the heart as well as actions and knows each of us and why we are each of us - as we are).

Luke 9 21Jesus strictly warned them not to tell this to anyone. 22“The Son of Man must suffer many things,” He said. “He must be rejected by the elders, chief priests, and scribes, and He must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.”

Take Up Your Cross
(Matthew 16:24-28; Mark 8:34-38)
23Then Jesus said to all of them, “If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow Me. 24For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will save it.

25What does it profit a man to gain the whole world, yet lose or forfeit his very self? 26If anyone is ashamed of Me and My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when He comes in His glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels. 27But I tell you truthfully, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”


take up our cross - crucify the flesh - daily - an ongoing process (we are not sinless/perfected yet).

notice Jesus doesn't mention any beliefs we must have here, or grace once given -- but following, daily, and crucifying ourselves.

Done. He did it.

Welcome to Romans 6.
This is exactly why Romans 7 says exactly what it says.

Salvation is permanent because it is God who keeps us saved.


"To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and
that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who
are kept by the power of God through faith unto
salvation ready to be revealed in the last time"
(1 Peter 1:4-5)

If you think this is how salvation is gained, then let me ask you on a scale of 1 to 10 (10 gained salvation)...... where would

you place yourself on this journey of crucifying yourself?

We discussed smoking and your point was if a man can quit smoking by himself he doesn’t need Jesus at all. This assumes that no man can resist temptation to anything and it’s just not so.

I didn’t say we can all fight (all) sin equally. I actually said out and out we are tempted differently. I know atheists who would never cheat on their spouse. I know Christians who did. We need Jesus for sins we are tempted and have done not the ones we didnt. That’s what I said.

That a man never cheated on his wife won’t save him from the cheating he otherwise did. We won’t givean answer before for sins we never did, but the ones we did.

Why is it difficult for you guys to believe some atheists never committed all sins? Don’t you know some who have never murdered? Do you thinks it’s particularly wonderful of them? Why do you jump to “sinless” atheists if they didn’t murder or commit adultery? Doesn’t make them saints by any means.

What you have written here is really NOT good.... you have completely DENIED grace and belief and elevated self solely.

Completely false. Good behavior doesn’t humble anyone. You won’t like this, but I don’t care about my salvation from hell and never give it a thought. Why I
obey God is a mystery to you although I’ve explained it. Stone wants verses as verse or no one recognizes the words of Pauk without blinking lights. I could quote this abd countless from memory but for you Stone,

Phil 3:10

That’s my motivation. Actually I do, you do not.

Do you know, for example That Jesus says God won’t forgive your sins unless you forgive others? Do you need the reference for that?

That, my friend, is the exception.

I recommend taking ALL of Jesus’ words.

To "pick up our cross" is to identify with His Death by faith.

I place my faith in the Redemptive Sacrifice of Jesus Christ..

We are not to look to ourselves for salvation... it is totally His work.