Questions about JW’s

The scribal error here "god/s" not in reference to God. Your previous post equate Jesus with the Father which is 'God" (G in upper case letter not 'g' lower case letter).

Your Greek instance of using capital letters simply refers to CODEX, or CODICES (plural) and said to be MAJUSCULE but you have to take note that there are also Greek manuscripts written in an UNCAPITALIZED Letters called MINISCULE and the bulk of the Greek extant are of these group.

Simply, I put your justification is not precise, hence, you have misunderstood the text in 1 Cor.

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Should it be decided to go head to head with Watchtower Society
missionaries, here's some useful tips passed on by Pete, the ex Jehovah's
Witness mentioned in post No.107.

1• Round up a copy of the Watchtower Society's "New World Translation of
the Bible" and its "Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures."
Sometimes these are available in thrift stores like Good Will and Salvation
Army. Both are available online from amazon dot com.

For some useful insights into a variety of Jehovah's Witness teachings, the
little brown book titled "Reasoning From The Scriptures" is a must-have. It's
available online too. Be sure to get the Watchtower Society's version instead
of another book by the same name authored by a different agency.

2• Do not let these people get personal with you. You must never ever
assume they are your friends because first and foremost their primary
interest is in making you a life-long slave to the Watchtower Society. You
can be courteous and you can be civil, but it's highly recommended that you
not let them into your life.

3• Do not accept their literature. They will want to come back later and
discuss it with you; thus taking control of both your thinking and the
meeting.

4• Don't let them get too far into their spiel, but at the first opportunity
begin introducing your own questions; thus denying them control of the
conversation.

5• Do not debate. You're not a salesman pushing a product, nor a recruiter,
nor a candidate running for an elected office: you're not on a quota, you're
not out to win anything, nor are you required to win-- you're a herald; viz: a
messenger. Your information is best presented as a second opinion for them
to think about; and that's all. No hammering and no pressuring.

The goal is to show missionaries that the Society's isn't the only expert
opinion out there. In other words: the Watchtower Society's interpretations
aren't the only option; nor are theirs eo ipso the right interpretations just
because the Governing Body says so.

6• Avoid getting embroiled in trivial issues like birthdays, Easter, Christmas,
Christmas trees, the design and construction of the wooden device upon
which Christ was crucified, saluting the flag, service in the military, and that
sort of thing. There are much bigger fish to fry than those.

The No.1 issue on their minds when they come to your door will likely be
Jehovah's kingdom, in particular, the portion of His kingdom to be on Earth.

7• Make them listen and pay attention to what you say even if you have to
repeat yourself to do it, or clap your hands, snap your fingers, or raise your
voice. Do not let them digress, change the subject, go off on a tangent, nor
get distracted and/or turn their attention elsewhere while you're speaking. If
they start digging through their bags, shuffling papers, tinkering with their
tablets, or looking up a reference; call them on it because there is no use in
speaking when their minds are elsewhere engaged.

8• Do not permit them to interrupt you and/or talk out of turn. Politely, but
firmly, insist that they hold their peace until you've said your piece.

9• Do not permit them to evade and/or circumvent difficult questions. They
sometimes say that they will have to confer with someone more
knowledgeable. When they do that, the meeting is over. Thank them politely
for their time and then ask them to leave and come back when they have
the information. Do not let them stay and start a new topic of their own.

10• Do not react and/or respond to ad hominems, which can be defined as a
logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character,
motive, qualifications and/or other attribute of the person making the
argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking
the substance of the argument itself. They will most likely challenge your
qualifications, especially your credibility with the Greek and Hebrew
languages, so be prepared for that.

11• These people undergo hour upon hour of training to refute standard
Christian doctrines, so it's very important to show them the Bible not only in
ways they've already seen, but also in ways they've never imagined.

It is my personal opinion that it's not a good idea to attempt to evangelize a
Watchtower missionary as I can just about guarantee that most experienced
JWs are better at evangelizing you than you are them. If you think that your
own gospel message is some sort of silver bullet; you'll find out right quick
that their silver bullets are quite likely bigger than yours.
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All Greek manuscripts prior to the 6th century were written in either ‘uncial’ or ‘majuscule’, that meant all letters were written with all capital letters, this is irrefutable, to deny this would be to deny all Greek manuscripts prior to the 6th century. Manuscripts written in ‘miniscule’ only partially coming around in the 6th century and were not fully developed until the 9th century. The bulk of the Greek manuscripts are newer copies, and thus written in ‘miniscule’ as earlier manuscripts are both harder to find, as there were less written as Christianity was not as widespread, and because manuscripts deteriorate and get lost due to damage more over time. We know the 1CE manuscripts, which no one has, were written in uncial as ALL the writings from the bible in Greek which are extra-biblical are written as such, none are written in ‘miniscule’, so my justification is precise.

(1 Cor 8:4-6) “..THERE IS NO GOD BUT ONE." FOR EVEN IF THERE ARE SO-CALLED GODS, WHETHER IN HEAVEN OR ON EARTH (AS INDEED THERE ARE MANY "GODS" AND MANY "LORDS"), YET FOR US THERE IS BUT ONE GOD, THE FATHER..”

I have made no error in calling Jesus GOD and the Father GOD, me applying the term ‘GOD’ to both Jesus and the Father no more is an oxymoron than me highlighting Satan is called “THE GOD” (2 Cor 4:4), Moses was called GOD (Exo 7:1), Angels were called GODS (Ps 8:5), or a human King was called GOD (Ps 45:6), the term GOD being applied to them does not necessitate equalling the ‘one God’ the Father.

As someone else highlighted, not believing that Jesus is the 'one God' does not mean you are not Christian.

Hi NWL! You said God being all was in comparison to false gods etc. What does that have to do with anything? How does that change the fact that God created all alone and by Himself? Moreover, what difference does it make even if angels were with Him, He still created all alone including the angels.

What does that mean that Jesus was a "passive" creator according to John 1:3? Your the ones that inserted in John 1:1 that Jesus was "a god." Yet Isaiah 45:5 says, "I am the Lord, and there is no other; Besides ME THERE IS NO GOD." Why would that not include Jesus who you say is "a god?" Is He a true god or a false god?

You also brought up the two prepositions "by" and "through." That word "by" denotes "Origin." The word "through" denotes the manner in which something is achieved. And yes, I am well aware that the words can be used interchangeable. So at John 1:3, (and this is where context is extremely important), John says "All things came into being by Him, (that means all things without exception), and apart from Him, (that means without Him) NOTHING came into being that has come into being."

Here again, "nothing" means "nothing." I am not "isolating" John 1:3, it's backed up by Colossians 1:16, Hebrews 1:10 and at Revelation 3:14 along with other verses. Colossians 1:16 is also "all inclusive." "For by Him ALL things were created etc. Again, no exceptions. And to make this asinine statement, "as can be seen, according to v18 Jesus has the first place in "all things", so is Jesus the first murder, the first homosexual, the first lier?" Your referring to Colossians 1:18 is Biblical ignorance at the highest level.

And to make this asinine statement, "as can be seen, according to v18 Jesus has the first place in "all things", so is Jesus the first murder, the first homosexual, the first lier?" Your referring to Colossians 1:18 is Biblical ignorance at the highest level

All Greek manuscripts prior to the 6th century were written in either ‘uncial’ or ‘majuscule’, that meant all letters were written with all capital letters, this is irrefutable, to deny this would be to deny all Greek manuscripts prior to the 6th century. Manuscripts written in ‘miniscule’ only partially coming around in the 6th century and were not fully developed until the 9th century. The bulk of the Greek manuscripts are newer copies, and thus written in ‘miniscule’ as earlier manuscripts are both harder to find, as there were less written as Christianity was not as widespread, and because manuscripts deteriorate and get lost due to damage more over time. We know the 1CE manuscripts, which no one has, were written in uncial as ALL the writings from the bible in Greek which are extra-biblical are written as such, none are written in ‘miniscule’, so my justification is precise.

(1 Cor 8:4-6) “..THERE IS NO GOD BUT ONE." FOR EVEN IF THERE ARE SO-CALLED GODS, WHETHER IN HEAVEN OR ON EARTH (AS INDEED THERE ARE MANY "GODS" AND MANY "LORDS"), YET FOR US THERE IS BUT ONE GOD, THE FATHER..”

I have made no error in calling Jesus GOD and the Father GOD, me applying the term ‘GOD’ to both Jesus and the Father no more is an oxymoron than me highlighting Satan is called “THE GOD” (2 Cor 4:4), Moses was called GOD (Exo 7:1), Angels were called GODS (Ps 8:5), or a human King was called GOD (Ps 45:6), the term GOD being applied to them does not necessitate equalling the ‘one God’ the Father.

Jesus did make very clear that if one does not know Who He is, they would die
in their sins, and He was specifically addressing those who denied His deity.

If one was to die in their sins, it means they are not saved.
If one is not saved, how could one call them self Christian?

They will get to the end and be told, "I do not know you."

1 John 5:7
King James Version
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Isaiah 44:26 states "I stretched out the heavens by myself, And I spread out the earth. Who was with me?", here God is expressing that he was alone when making the heavens and the earth, by his statement "who was with me" he was claiming no one was there, so I'll ask you this, were the angels "with God" when making the earth?

He was speaking of his messiahship when he stated this, it was not in regards to his deity, he used the same phrase he used in John 4:25,26 when claiming to be the Messiah.

We are not told where the angels were when God was creating the heavens and the earth. We are told, however, that the Word was with God from the beginning, the beginning being the beginning of the universe, since God is eternally self existent and has neither beginning nor end. The Word was with God before creation. Through the Word, all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made. The Word is identified as Jesus Christ, Who took on flesh to dwell among us, and give His life as a ransom for many as the spotless Lamb of God Who takes away the sin of the world. All power and authority has been given to Him. In God asking, "Who was with me me when... ?" is a question to the effect of stating that mere human beings were not present at the time of creation.

Read John chapter 8. It is not His being the Messiah Jesus is speaking of.

“You do not know me or my Father,” Jesus replied. “If you knew me, you would know my Father also.”

“You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you
that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

"I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father."

Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

When John mentioned the 'beginning' in John 1:1 he was referring to the 'beginning' mentioned in Gen 1:1, and the 'beginning' mentioned in Genesis referred to the creation of the earth and its heaven, it was not referring to the creation of the entire universe. So the word/Jesus being with God in the beginning in John 1:1 was talking about the beginning of the creation of the earth. This isn't to say that Jesus was not with God at the beginning of creation as revealed in other scripture.

All Greek manuscripts prior to the 6th century were written in either ‘uncial’ or ‘majuscule’, that meant all letters were written with all capital letters, this is irrefutable, to deny this would be to deny all Greek manuscripts prior to the 6th century. Manuscripts written in ‘miniscule’ only partially coming around in the 6th century and were not fully developed until the 9th century. The bulk of the Greek manuscripts are newer copies, and thus written in ‘miniscule’ as earlier manuscripts are both harder to find, as there were less written as Christianity was not as widespread, and because manuscripts deteriorate and get lost due to damage more over time. We know the 1CE manuscripts, which no one has, were written in uncial as ALL the writings from the bible in Greek which are extra-biblical are written as such, none are written in ‘miniscule’, so my justification is precise.

(1 Cor 8:4-6) “..THERE IS NO GOD BUT ONE." FOR EVEN IF THERE ARE SO-CALLED GODS, WHETHER IN HEAVEN OR ON EARTH (AS INDEED THERE ARE MANY "GODS" AND MANY "LORDS"), YET FOR US THERE IS BUT ONE GOD, THE FATHER..”

I have made no error in calling Jesus GOD and the Father GOD, me applying the term ‘GOD’ to both Jesus and the Father no more is an oxymoron than me highlighting Satan is called “THE GOD” (2 Cor 4:4), Moses was called GOD (Exo 7:1), Angels were called GODS (Ps 8:5), or a human King was called GOD (Ps 45:6), the term GOD being applied to them does not necessitate equalling the ‘one God’ the Father.

Another watchtower ambassador to shore up new world false mess.

As I expressed in my previous post, Jesus using the expression "I am he" (ego emi) was either an expression of him confirming messiahship, as he did in John 4:25,26, or confirming a particular point to a specific topic of discussion. Nothing you posted goes contrary to what, I've again, just said.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The heavens = plural.

Call me whatever you like, I expect abuse as a Christian even from "so called Christians".

Rather than hurl abuse at JW (as youve been doing in your posts) why not try and explain why what NWL is writing is incorrect, and when I say explain I mean not throwing out arbitrary phrases and scriptures as you've been been doing in a child like manner, i mean ACTUALLY explain why his arguments, along with the scriptures he cites with them are false according to his understanding.