The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

Was the account of Noah's ark, in your estimation, figurative or literal, since specific dimensions and bill of materials was also listed?

In a literal sense, in comparison to the account of New Jerusalem, I find the account of Noah's Ark to be even more preposterous yet I believe the account to be a literal representation of what happened so therefore I believe the account of New Jerusalem to be a literal representation as well.

OK, Noah's Ark - Symbolic reference or literal reference?

If your answer is literal then why would the account of the New Jerusalem be symbolic as both accounts, by my own perspective seem unbelievable yet I believe both to be true because it is stated in scripture.

Tourist the OLD TESTAMENT was literal, it was FORESHADOWING spiritual thing to come.

Everything in the OT is literal, even the account of the flying saucer in Ezekiel and the wheel within a wheel, and the creatures described? Now, that would be a good example of taking those accounts to be symbolic and not literal. I could be wrong on that too though.

He couldn't reveal it because he was instructed by God not to reveal it. Like Paul going to Heaven and then God gave him a thorn in his side to keep Paul from being all high and mighty. If the Beast was current in John's day, there is no doubt he would have said so.

My reasoning for such, when did flying demonic scorpions with women's hair happen? When did the king of the abyss, Apollo, release billions of demons who wiped out 2/3 of humans take place (Jerusalem was 1 million people, not even close to being 1/100 of humanity in 70 AD)?
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Since none of these have yet to happen even to this very day, why wouldn't the Number and Name of the Beast also been future events in 100 AD?

I think when someone is seeing vision it most likely is not literal.

Actually, that perception is interesting.

seems to me there would be good reasons for not naming the name.
if the Roman government thought that it was inciting rebellion, then it would suppress the book.

but if they thought it was just more harmless Jewish stories, then they would just ignore it.
literally, never.
as a figure of speech, probably many times throughout history.

some other examples
Exodus 19:4 'You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles' wings, and brought you to myself.

2 Samuel 1:23 Saul and Jonathan were lovely and pleasant in their lives. In their death, they were not divided. They were swifter than eagles. They were stronger than lions.

Your currently living in the New Heaven and Earth?

Your claim is "False", There Will Be No More Death In The New Heaven and Earth!

Romans 16:17-18KJV
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

Revelation 21 King James Version (KJV)
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Why not, John was 2 years from his death and was in Ephesus. The Romans would not have known if John told it or not to even matter since all involved with 70 AD were long gone and dead.




Interesting indeed!

We will disagree

In Ezekiel 47 and Revelation 22 both the river and Tree of life are seen, exactly the same place is seen "The Eternal Kingdom" in the New Heaven abd Earth.

Thanks for the response

sorry, I don't follow what you're saying here.

suppose John wanted the book to circulate freely.
how does his being close to death and living in Ephesus relate to that?

No doubt the temple is spiritual today. But Ez 43 isn't discussing our temple. It was discussing a hypothetical temple that they didn't receive. This is clear because there is still animal sacrifice and death. This was written during Babylonian captivity thus it dealt with the next temple to be built, it didn't skip it.

So what is your view of end times eschatology? Is there anything at all that you can reference in Ezekiel that deals with a yet future end times?

Your 100% correct!

Ezekiel chapter 43 is nothing more than prophecy of the Zerubbabel 2nd temple, that was completed in 536BC after the Babylonian captivity

Yes dispensationalism trys to sell this as a future temple, a big Pinocchio Fairy tale.

1611KJV the second coming of Jesus Christ in the clouds of Heaven is "Literal" and will be a future event.

Ezekiel chapter 47 teaches of the "Future" eternal kingdom, the River and Tree of life, eternal fruit, leaves for healing/medicine.

"The Eternal Kingdom"

Ezekiel 47:12KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

"The Eternal Kingdom"

Revelation 22:1-2KJV
22 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Aaaahhhh Wait a second. You are saying that the temple of chapter 43 and the temple of chapter 47 are different temples? One is Zerubbabel's and the other one is the eternal temple?

Does this nonsense ever end with these guys? It reminds me of Tim Lahaye teaching that there are two books of life and two groups of 144,000.