Is marking of Mark of the Beast is literal or just figurative?

I personally think that all Gentiles that are left behind during the rapture, all of them will end up worshipping the beast and have his mark.

It's late tonight and so I am turning in and would like to say I enjoyed speaking with you.

You mention "the final gentile is included in the body of Christ" which is curious do you see Revelation 14:6 being preached to every nation,tongue,people kindred ect.? https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/14-6.htm


Who are those who in Revelation 7:9 who come through the tribulation if the final gentile has already been included? https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/7-9.htm

Well, since I used "full preterism" in the beginning, don't you think that is the same group that I was referring to by leaving out the "full" in the last part of the post?

In any case, the point that I was making is the same that I stated in the post.

Is there a second chance for a Jew .Or will they not be left behind? Where are the other ones hiding for a time period ?

Like David said .If a person destroys the foundation of the doctrines of God. What can a believer do. ? Like most cases Genesis sets the stage for the rest of the book of the law the Bible. And the mark is no different. Men literalizing the signified spiritual understanding destroy the foundation .

The mark clearly has nothing to do with a outward sign .There is no warning not to receive that or some electronic device. The problem is spiritual not seen. Not the flesh the temporal. The flesh is already carrying out the sufferings of a literal hell

The mark is the letter of the word death a literal living hell all the days of ones life. .His word is law. What he says comes to pass .Ye will surely die not maybe. and the load getting lighter for him no way did Cain receive the sabbath rest.

Cain is used to represent unbelief natural unconverted mankind 666 .

The labor pain of death under the wage of sin was increased when Cain plowed his brother Abel under as the first martyr.

Satan working in Cain tried to bargain with God he did not want to surfer the increase .He had no sabbath rest with Christ as did Abel.

If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper? And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. Genesis 4:7-15

Romans 11:
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

God made a promise to their father Abraham and it was unconditional. That is why during the Tribulation, he will come and rescue the Jews from the Anti-christ, and bring them into the promised land.

As for the Gentiles, they have no excuse not to accept Jesus's death burial resurrection NOW. God became enemies with Israel, abeilt temporary, so that us gentiles can be saved NOW.

I joined my Church soon after they completed a study of the book of revelation, so I missed out. But our pastor regularly emphasizes the importance of checking to see what the other books of the Bible say about a particular topic.

He reminds us that the Bible never contradicts itself, so we need to consider what the Bible says as a whole. He said that no scripture should be taken in isolation, and that many preachers run into problems when they try to interpret scriptures in isolation.

You have made the same point in your comment, and it makes very good sense so I tank you for it.

I've been waiting for the restrictions to be lifted, so I can ask my pastor about the types of red flags that I should watch out for when I listen to sermons online.

My dilemma is, I listen to various preachers who disagree with each other yet they both seem to be genuine believers. So they put me in a position, where I need to chose which one to believe and it's hard because of my limited knowledge.

I'm currently trying to establish a framework, so I can identify heretical teaching when I hear it. So my aim is to find out, what sort things should cause me to cease fellowship with those who teach or believe heretical doctrine. I know that there are some things, we can disagree on and still have fellowship and there are some other things which are "non negotiable".

I tried to do a google search for a list of these but I couldn't find a clear list, I'm not even sure if there is a clear list. Everything in the Bible seems to have many different interpretations, so that makes it eve harder to get a clear picture.

I joined my Church soon after they completed a study of the book of revelation, so I missed out. But our pastor regularly emphasizes the importance of checking to see what the other books of the Bible say about a particular topic.

He reminds us that the Bible never contradicts itself, so we need to consider what the Bible says as a whole. He said that no scripture should be taken in isolation, and that many preachers run into problems when they try to interpret scriptures in isolation.

You have made the same point in your comment, and it makes very good sense so I tank you for it.

I've been waiting for the restrictions to be lifted, so I can ask my pastor about the types of red flags that I should watch out for when I listen to sermons online.

My dilemma is, I listen to various preachers who disagree with each other yet they both seem to be genuine believers. So they put me in a position, where I need to chose which one to believe and it's hard because of my limited knowledge.

I'm currently trying to establish a framework, so I can identify heretical teaching when I hear it. So my aim is to find out, what sort things should cause me to cease fellowship with those who teach or believe heretical doctrine. I know that there are some things, we can disagree on and still have fellowship and there are some other things which are "non negotiable".

I tried to do a google search for a list of these but I couldn't find a clear list, I'm not even sure if there is a clear list. Everything in the Bible seems to have many different interpretations, so that makes it eve harder to get a clear picture.

Thanks for the reply

Genuine believers, I think are given a understanding they are on a learning curve. They have the confidence that if Christ has begun the good work in them that he will finish it till the last day . (Phil 1:6)

One thing I have learned that seem to be helpful to me is .As apologist we defend the faith of Christ that works in us to defend his integrity. We can learn as iron sharpens iron but in the end planting seeds and watering must be accompanied by the work of his unseen Holy Spirit .

We have the privilege to put on and keep on the armor of God . No protection for the back .He has our back as the rear guard making sure the slower learners do not get left behind .

In that way we have no power coming from each other (we wrestle not against flesh and blood,) but apply that power that works in these earthen bodies when gathering together. (two or three. . or two or three billion.)

Ephesians 6:10-18 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. ...

The non negotiable are the pillars of our faith.
Virgin birth
Diety of Jesus
Crucified,dead and buried.
Resurrected
Glorified honored and enthroned in heaven
Salvation via his shed blood
The promise to be with him at death
To be ready to share the hope within you.

You can add the fallen nature of man through adam and Gods remedy or redemption by the God Man His Son Jesus.

We believe salvation is only through Jesus.

Those are non negotiable.

The rapture is a separate issue not required to be saved.

But you have to see end times through heavens prism.
Otherwise you will bog down in test fitting without a panoramic view.
Get the panoramic view first.
Watch the pieces fit perfectly.

I don't think that they will be demon possessed, but will be attacked by those demons. And the angel who comes up out of the Abyss will be the spiritual power behind the antichrist.

I do not think it would be a chip implants to happen for markings, as for sure many will refuse to it because they are aware that it is the markings of 666.

Not saying one way or the other , just mentioning that I saw somewhere that insect sized 5g robots were being developed that could home in on and attack whoever they were programmed to identify and find/track down whoever takes a chip if desired attacked..

Hey Bojack!

Hadn't heard of the insect sized robots. I have heard of the Apache helicopter theory started by Hal Lindsey. However, if we use the details of their description, it soon becomes clear that these things that resemble locusts are demonic beings. The first clue of this, is that an star/angel falls from heaven having the key to the shaft of the Abyss and opens it. And out of the shaft comes smoke like a furnace and out of the smoke comes these locusts. The Abyss is the same place that Satan and his angels are toing to be thrown into when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. And the Abyss is also the same place that those demonic being collectively called 'Legion' begged Jesus not to cast them into. Therefore, we can conclude that this are not helicopters coming from an underground base.

Another characteristic is that their king is the angel of the Abyss who is called Abaddon/Apollyon which means destroyer. We can also conclude from their descriptions having hair like women's hair, teeth like lions teeth, faces like human faces, tails and stingers like scorpions and looking like horses prepared for battle, that these are not your garden variety locusts.

That fact that they come up out of the Abyss and that they have as king over them the angel of the Abyss definitely tells us that these are demonic beings which resemble locusts. Also, by the description of their wings which sound like horses and chariots rushing into battle, as well as the reference to havinv teeth like lions teeth, I would say that they are not going to be 6 inches in length, but bigger in size. My thinking here is that horses and chariots rushing into battle would be a very low pitch rumble, which would mean that their wings would have to be bigger than a common locust, which make a higher pitched sound.

In studying this 5th trumpet, I concluded that these things will be demonic beings coming up being released from the Abyss. In further support of this, it states that that are told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. Therefore, because they are able to take instruction it tells me that they are intelligent.

Just my observation

Do you ever wonder if John was describing things no one, even he could not explain what he was seeing but did the best he could ? jus sayin .. And I know there are people possessed with demons and oppressed by demons ..

I believe that when John calls something a horse for example, that it is a horse. He is not going to call any type military vehicle a horse or anything else. Scripture also demonstrates that John is able to make comparisons such as when he says, "they had faces like human faces, hair like women's hair, teeth like lions teeth, the looked like horses prepared for battle. When John is speaking about something that is from nature, then everyone who is reading is on the same page, regardless of generation or millennia.

Regarding the 5th trumpet, I believe John is seeing demonic being released from the Abyss, which is the same time that the beast, that angel of the Abyss, comes out.

Is marking of Mark of the Beast is literal of putting a mark in foreheads/hand or just only figurative?
But it is rare to hear the mark of the beast is DEMOCRACY that enables to have a free enterprise TO BUY AND SELL.

I think it is literal. Some of revelation is literal and but most of it a figure of speech. The mark is a literal mark identified as a chip of some sorts. The battle of Armageddon is not both literal and figurative, we wont actually see demons but they will have inhabited people to battle against God. The battle against God is demon inspired.