The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

I understand better than you desire to admit. There is no logic within your argument. If you are standing up for this person due to being new, I accept that. But to remove logic from the basis of ordering Christians to be killed with one exception is irresponsible thinking. Nero was insane. There was no reasoning behind any of his actions other than hate. You do not keep alive what you hate. That's like saying Satan only tried to kill me but now he is ok because I know with God he is a just a punk. Absolutely NO LOGIC!

You clearly haven't given any thought to how you misinterpreted her statement. Until you do, I see no point in entertaining your bluster. As for your understanding of "logic"... well, your comments stand for themselves.

No, it's a FALLACY and completely absurd to ever believe while having Christians murdered that Nero would save John.

There is no more to add/remove.

It's completely irresponsible as an adult who can reason/form logic to even assume that could be a possibility.

She believes in Preterism.
Therefore, the general belief is across the board.

Whether you want to break this down here and there is fine, but the Preterist view is all the same.

Over a million Jews were murdered relating that to Christianity.

To think a single person was exempt from a 3 year hunt and slaughter with destruction is not even remotely plausible.

Just to add some “hearsay” to this discussion......

I heard somewhere (lol!) that Nero and others tried to kill the Apostle John on several occasions but, John would not die - that’s why they had to exile John.

I’m not sure where I heard that from. I just logged it in my brain as something to ponder, research and ask God about.

I have been enjoying all the posts...very interesting.

I have read that he was boiled in oil at some point, and survived. I don't know the details or the (alleged) date of the event.

You're building on unsubstantiated assertions. You haven't demonstrated that preterism is a heresy.

Ironically history proves the gt is future.
The mark
The flying scorpions
Hailstones of fire
The planet destroyed
And on and on.

Historicist view is debunked quite easily.

Do you know both Preterism and Dispensationalism came from the Jesuits in an attempt to remove the Papacy from the charge of "Antichrist" pinned on it by the Reformers? Aren't we being the pot calling the kettle black here?

I hear what you're saying, at the same time at the end of The book of Revelation Jesus says he is coming soon.

There is a difference between quickly or speedily and "soon". Someone can come speedily but not necessarily "soon".

Strong's Concordance
tachu: quickly
Original Word: ταχύ
Part of Speech: Adverb
Transliteration: tachu
Phonetic Spelling: (takh-oo')
Definition: quickly
Usage: quickly, speedily.

As we know from Church history, Christ did not return to earth in the first century, neither has He returned to this day. But since a thousand years are as but a day in the sight of God, if Christ comes in the 21st century, it will be speedily from God's perspective.

In any event those cataclysmic cosmic events must occur before the Second Coming of Christ, and they have not happened.

I have already pointed out that the denial and rejection of the Resurrection/Rapture and the visible return of Christ are heresies.

Without the actual Resurrection/Rapture, God's plan redemption for the Church is incomplete. Without the actual Second Coming of Christ, God's plan of redemption for the earth is incomplete. So if you do not think this is heretical, perhaps your should examine your own beliefs.

Read Gary Demar's book, "Last Days Madness".

Absolutely said:
Did the great tribulation already happen?

As Jesus said, it happened to the inhabitants of Jerusalem in 70 AD with the events fulfilling prophesy and recorded by Josephus. It will never happen again. Do you really want that to happen to the people you know?

One needs to understand the nature of Old and New Testament prophesy. There are literal scorpions but not literal scorpions spoken of in Revelation.

Good day, DorothyMae,

Regarding Revelation, it is the context that determines whether or not something is being spoken of literally or symbolically. So to determine what these things are we must look at the overall details.

First of all, in the first verse John sees what he calls a star falling from heaven to the earth, then in the same verse it states that the star was given a key to the Abyss. So right away we can determine that this is not a literal star. Then in verse 2 the star is referred to as a "he." Also, if we look at Rev.12, stars are used symbolically to represent Satan's angels. The conclusion then, is that that this star who is given the key to the Abyss is an angel.

Secondly, this star/angel is opening the Abyss, which is an opening into the earth. In further support of this, when he opens the Abyss smoke like a gigantic furnace billows out, obscuring the sun and the sky.

Thirdly, out of the smoke from the Abyss comes what John calls locusts. However, the fact that they are described as having hair like women's hair, teeth like lions teeth, faces resembling human faces, breastplates of iron, tails and stingers like that of a scorpion and the fact that it is said that they have a ruler over them which is the angel of the Abyss, then it quickly becomes apparent that these are not your garden variety locusts, but are demonic beings being let out of the Abyss. These combined details should dissuade anyone from interpreting these locusts as being helicopters or some other kind of military vehicles.

Based on all of the provided information in the context , what John is describing should be interpreted in the literal sense, recognizing these as demonic entities that humans have just never seen.

No it is a fact he was exiled in 60
something AD, the same period Nero had Christians killed to include Paul and Peter. That’s a fact. (If you can say your position is a fact so can I.)