Not By Works

Some of the hateful things you have said in the past about OSAS believers goes beyond correction.

Because He said everyone who calls on His name will be saved.
He doesn't turn away the person who calls on Him.
He doesn't deny them because He knows in His omniscience that they will reject Him later.
Israel is a perfect example of this.
Millions of Israelites in hell today, yet He led them out of Egypt anyway.


Of course He does.
He doesn't need to be concerned about anybody leading His own away who want to believe in Him.
Only those who change their mind and don't want to believe in Him can be led away.
That's why we should continue to believe in Him.
That's where the security of salvation is.
Security of salvation doesn't mean you can forsake Him in unbelief and you're still saved.

Sinking fast, huh?

My eyes are wide open and have been wide open for several years now.

Like I say, they seem hateful to you because you are immature in the faith.
Disagreeing with you and calling you out for your immature behavior is not being hateful.
Only a child would think that.

I'm only being this blunt to you because I actually think you may be able to take this correction to heart and be made better for it.
I mean that.
So maybe I do still have a shred of respect for you.

Your psychological games will not work on me, but thanks for the laugh!

If you want to discuss this I'll be more than happy to drill down on any point you want.

You can start by answering this question:

How can the sanctified person in Hebrews 10:29 be a sanctified fake believer when 1 Corinthians 5 and 2 Corinthians 6 make it clear that fake brothers and sisters are NOT sanctified?

You're asking me to ignore these plain passages so that the sanctified person in Hebrews 10:29 can be an unbeliever and not really a believer.

Like I say, they seem hateful to you because you are immature in the faith.

Not all Scripture is to the body of Christ. Most is to God’s physical people Israel, as is Hebrews. During the tribulation if one turns from Christ to the anti-christ there is no more forgiveness. He is condemned to eternal torment. Not so for the body of Christ during the Church Age.

Holy moly - you are such a commendable saint - we should be in awe.

These are the things babies say.

You are just advertising your frustration at being able to win your case.

I'm sorry, guy, but this is so far out there it's hard for me to even want to discuss it with you.
There's a lot of John's here and it's hard to keep them straight but I think you're the one I said should read Galatians 3 over again.
There is no such thing as a different covenant for the Jews and another one for the gentiles.
There has never been a covenant of works, let alone a covenant of works for the Jews only.
Justification has NEVER come through works. Never.

Actually, I'm frustrated with the lack of maturity of several of you posters.

I'm sorry, guy, but this is so far out there it's hard for me to even want to discuss it with you.
There's a lot of John's here and it's hard to keep them straight but I think you're the one I said should read Galatians 3 over again.
There is no such thing as a different covenant for the Jews and another one for the gentiles.
There has never been a covenant of works, let alone a covenant of works for the Jews only.
Justification has NEVER come through works. Never.

Definition = maturity is agreeing with Yudges understanding.

The Galatian believers did not lose salvation. Period. They were led astray from Paul’s teaching, following false teachers.

I'm sorry, guy, but this is so far out there it's hard for me to even want to discuss it with you..