Not By Works

I stopped tryign to assume what people will say along time ago. they suprise me, while at the same time, don't suprise me.

Do I think he will admit he sins? yes

Do I think he understands what that means about himself in relation to the law? No.

Uh oh. Someone’s rattled. I encourage you to read Psalm 31 in its entirety, paying particular attention to the second half of verse 17 and all of verse 18. You’re described to a T.

So you my friend, Have not kept the law either. so why judge me because I admit I have not kept it myself? meaning I am just as guilty as you are

Romans 3:25

2 Peter 1:9

(But you have to remove your OSAS glasses first before you read these verses).

I am sure you know this, and I AM UNCERTAIN what all
Micaiah-imla actually believes. I believe, the moment we
Born Again Christians DIE, the propensity to sin, is also DEAD, too.
IT WILL NOT BE A PART OF THE RESURRECTED BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN.
YES, I certainly believe the Born Again Human Spirit will NEVER DIE.

I would encourage others to read these verses for themselves. This person’s assessment of these verses is in error and/or incomplete.

If past sins are forgiven but not future sins then how are future sins (actually present known sins) forgiven?

You are speaking of someone who hasn’t been converted yet.

After conversion you are a new creation, old things ARE passed away. We are no longer law breakers, unless we make ourselves lawbreakers again (Galatians 2:18).

I have asked this numerous times

If the penalty of sin is still death, Then how can anything but our own death be made as payment for those sins?

I have yet to be given an answer

I will let him know you call some of his children wicked. is that ok?

I don’t see “past, present, and future sins are forgiven” here. But we know that past sins are already forgiven.

He who does what is sinful is of the devil

So the following has not come into play yet?

1 John 1:9-10
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

How can confession make up for death?

I have asked this numerous times

If the penalty of sin is still death, Then how can anything but our own death be made as payment for those sins?

I have yet to be given an answer

The will of our Heavenly Father is that we have faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus teaches us that whoever believes in Him is saved, not whoever works is saved.

You misinterpreted Matthew 7:21-23 and OSAS is not the issue here because these many people (unbelievers) in Matthew 7:22 were not saved and lost their salvation. In Matthew 7:21 - Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. *John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. These many people in Matthew 7:22-23 were trusting in their works to save them and NOT IN CHRIST ALONE. Jesus NEVER knew them which means they were NEVER saved.

John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him, not merely theoretical knowledge. These many people were not true converts. Without faith it's impossible to please God no matter how many alleged wonderful works that these many people set out to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to obtain salvation by works. This is why Jesus referred to these many people as "workers of iniquity." God does not see the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus (Romans 4:5-6; Philippians 3:9) in unbelievers, but He see's all of their sins which remain and have not been washed away by the blood of Christ.

I think alot of people get James mixed up. James focus is not on works. His focus is on a claimed faith which is dead. Not real.

What does it profit anyone if they CLAIM to have faith (the focus) But has no works, Can that faith (a claimed faith only) Save them?

As you said, even demons believe, But we see they never trusted God, that's why they are called demons now, and not Angels.

As paul said in Eph 2, Those who are saved BY grace through faith are new creations, and as a new creation, we will do the works God created for us to do.

If we look at it this way, We see works are a byproduct, or a result of our faith and being made into new creation.

Thus James is stating a pretty hard fact. If we claim to have faith, But do not have the works Paul said we would have, Because true faith works, and as new creatures, we act our new nature not our old. Then our faith is dead.

Can that faith save us? No! Never could, never will.

Saying works are required is a danger, and tends to lead toward legalism, pride. And in essence makes james contradict paul. Who said specifically, No works ever had any part in our being made new creatures in Christ

I did not call anybody here wicked.

I was simply pointing out the scripture that should cause you to re-think the sayings of OSAS.