Not By Works

[Micaiah-imla]

Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God.... For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy” Hebrews 10:11-12,14

I don’t see “past, present, and future sins are forgiven” here. But we know that past sins are already forgiven.

 

[azamzimtoti]

No sir.

You are adding that assertion.

Tell me, ye that DESIRE TO BE UNDER the law (Galatians 4:21).

Paul did not say, “tell me, ye that would ADD works”

The literal Greek is willing not desire, they were "willing" because they were being persuaded/deceived by false teachers. Paul is using polemics in letter.

 

[RebuildJesussChurch]

Uh oh. Someone’s rattled. I encourage you to read Psalm 31 in its entirety, paying particular attention to the second half of verse 17 and all of verse 18. You’re described to a T.

So rattled. My joy and peace are drained away. Where did my Shepherd go? Ugh, our foundation is gone. Alas.

 

[Lightskin]

If it’s heretical, please post some scripture that proves it (and please leave your OSAS doctrine at the door).

The onus is on you. You made the proclamation that only sins up to the point of someone’s hearing the Gospel are forgiven, after which future sins are not forgiven by Christ’s crucifixion. Where is that written in the Bible? Book, chapter, verse.

 

[BillG]

The onus is on you. You made the proclamation that only sins up to the point of someone’s hearing the Gospel are forgiven, after which future sins are not forgiven by Christ’s crucifixion. Where is that written in the Bible? Book, chapter, verse.

You know what the answer is going to be?

 

[Micaiah-imla]

Then learn to follow the law of love, Not rules

Love is the fulfilling of the law by which all the law is kept (Romans 13:10).

Ironically, you think no one can keep the law. So, is it you who hasn’t learned how to walk in love?

 

[Lightskin]

So rattled. My joy and peace are drained away. Where did my Shepherd go? Ugh, our foundation is gone. Alas.

Alas poor Yorick, I knew him well.

 

[VCO]

I haven’t refused his grace (God knows). However I am not going to receive it in vain and use my liberty for a cloak of maliciousness either.

I have told you, NUMEROUS TIMES, you the works of Obedience, because YOU THINK YOU HAVE TO protect your SALVATION.

We believe that GODLY LOVE spawns out of the same kind of LOVE HE PUT US, AFTER OSAS happens genuinely the very MOMENT WE FIRST BELIEVED. WE walk in obedience AFTER SALVATION, ONLY BECAUSE WE LOVE HIM, and it is NOT A BURDEN, when WHEN AGAPE LOVE IS THE ONLY MOTIVE. I do not think you have done a SINGLE THING with AGAPE LOVE BEING THE ONLY MOTIVE. You do it out of your own strength, which GOD says it is all FILTHY RAGS.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

Where is that written in the Bible? Book, chapter, verse.

Romans 3:25

2 Peter 1:9

(But you have to remove your OSAS glasses first before you read these verses).

 

[Lightskin]

pride
in thinking they are special. And God will reward them for how special they are

in refusing to see how sinful they are. and what they really deserve

Spot on accurate with your analysis, brother. These blind guides are guilty of breaking the 1st Commandment every waking moment of their life and they have no clue. Probably while they sleep also.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Love is the fulfilling of the law by which all the law is kept (Romans 13:10).

Ironically, you think no one can keep the law. So, is it you who hasn’t learned how to walk in love?

Wrong

Love fullfill's the law. Because Love will not break the law (you have the concept, but its backwards.)

You are too focused on the law. You need to focus on love

I think no one can keep the law? Well of course

Well lets see if you have.

have you ever sinned?

 

[Micaiah-imla]

you the works of Obedience, because YOU THINK YOU HAVE TO protect your SALVATION.

We believe that GODLY LOVE spawns out of the same kind of LOVE HE PUT US, AFTER OSAS happens genuinely the very MOMENT WE FIRST BELIEVED. WE walk in obedience AFTER SALVATION, ONLY BECAUSE WE LOVE HIM, and it is NOT A BURDEN, when WHEN AGAPE LOVE IS THE ONLY MOTIVE. I do not think you have done a SINGLE THING with AGAPE LOVE BEING THE ONLY MOTIVE. You do it out of your own strength, which GOD says it is all FILTHY RAGS.

My motivation is to do those things that are pleasing in God’s sight, not to protect my salvation.

We do the works of God from love from the heart.

I agree with you on the last point.

 

[BillG]

Wrong

Love fullfill's the law. Because Love will not break the law (you have the concept, but its backwards.)

You are too focused on the law. You need to focus on love

I think no one can keep the law? Well of course

Well lets see if you have.

have you ever sinned?

You know what the answer is going to be?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Romans 3:25

2 Peter 1:9

(But you have to remove your OSAS glasses first before you read these verses).

Or maybe you need to remove your NOSAS glasses? to see what they really mean?

Rom 3: 25 in context

23 for all have sinned (including you) and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Being, the act continues today
Justified - declared righteous
Freely - without cost
Redemption. The blood of Christ.

vs 25 states a fact, God passed over the sins of the OT before the cross.. Even though the payment for those sins was not yet paid.

1 peter 9 is talking about not forgetting where you came from. and continuing to remove forward.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

have you ever sinned?

Every one HAS sinned.

But when you encounter a situation that you know will lead to sin, you avoid it, right?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You know what the answer is going to be?

I stopped tryign to assume what people will say along time ago. they suprise me, while at the same time, don't suprise me.

Do I think he will admit he sins? yes

Do I think he understands what that means about himself in relation to the law? No.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Every one HAS sinned.

But when you encounter a situation that you know will lead to sin, you avoid it, right?

Yep

Then you have not kept the law. and you are seen by the law as a transgressor.

So you my friend, Have not kept the law either. so why judge me because I admit I have not kept it myself? meaning I am just as guilty as you are

 

[azamzimtoti]

!

Resorting to Cliff-Notes now are we?

 

[Micaiah-imla]

context

23 for all have sinned (including you) and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Being, the act continues today
Justified - declared righteous
Freely - without cost
Redemption. The blood of Christ.

vs 25 states a fact, God passed over the sins of the OT before the cross.. Even though the payment for those sins was not yet paid.

1 peter 9 is talking about not forgetting where you came from. and continuing to remove forward.

I would encourage others to read these verses for themselves. This person’s assessment of these verses is in error and/or incomplete.

 

[VCO]

Are you saying that we could still sin in heaven or have a propensity to sin?

I am sure you know this, and I AM UNCERTAIN what all
Micaiah-imla actually believes. I believe, the moment we
Born Again Christians DIE, the propensity to sin, is also DEAD, too.
IT WILL NOT BE A PART OF THE RESURRECTED BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN.
YES, I certainly believe the Born Again Human Spirit will NEVER DIE.