The "Man of Sin" Prophecies
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Fair enough. It seems - at least to me as well - that Paul was purposely cryptic about revealing who it actually was out of precaution. So it seems he definitely knew.
Ok, so one difference between the preterist and historicist views of the "man of sin" is the difference between a specific person and an office. Do you subscribe to a literal 3.5-year timeframe or longer?
Thanks for contributing, by the way.
Ok, so one difference between the preterist and historicist views of the "man of sin" is the difference between a specific person and an office. Do you subscribe to a literal 3.5-year timeframe or longer?
Thanks for contributing, by the way.
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No, our perspective does not appear the same.
There is only one religion of Abraham, and the man of sin will not follow Christianity.
The wicked people will be corrupted with flatteries from the man of sin, and this is not much to wonder at, for the army of the kingdom of lies are deceived and they deceive one another.
Daniel 11:32
32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
2 Timothy 3:13-15
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
There is only one religion of Abraham, and the man of sin will not follow Christianity.
The wicked people will be corrupted with flatteries from the man of sin, and this is not much to wonder at, for the army of the kingdom of lies are deceived and they deceive one another.
Daniel 11:32
32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
2 Timothy 3:13-15
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
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John in his revelation mentions a three and half year period:
(Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.)
The next verse of 1260 days is 3.5 if you use the "prophetic year":
(Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth)
I don't have any particular clue to the identity of the two witnesses.
(Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.)
The next verse of 1260 days is 3.5 if you use the "prophetic year":
(Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth)
I don't have any particular clue to the identity of the two witnesses.
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Here’s an idea Augustine (354 - 430 AD) mentioned about who the coming Antichrist might be. Where Paul says in 2 Thessalonians 2:4;
“[Man of sin] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in [Greek = as] the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” (2 Thessalonians 2:4) (KJV 1900)
Instead of the man of sin sitting in the temple of God, he would sit as the temple of God. Which of course is what the Papacy claims for itself. The Papacy claims to be the one true church. The Church = God’s temple in the NT.
Says Augustine; “Antichrist means not the prince himself alone, but his whole body, that is, the mass of men who adhere to him, along with him their prince; and they also think that we should render the Greek more exactly were we to read, not “in the temple of God,” but “for” or “as the temple of God,” as if he himself were the temple of God, the Church.1405”
NPNF1-02. St. Augustine’s City of God and Christian Doctrine - Christian Classics Ethereal Library
Most Reformation era churches claimed the Papacy is Antichrist including many post reformation churches including early Baptists and Methodists.
“[Man of sin] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in [Greek = as] the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” (2 Thessalonians 2:4) (KJV 1900)
Instead of the man of sin sitting in the temple of God, he would sit as the temple of God. Which of course is what the Papacy claims for itself. The Papacy claims to be the one true church. The Church = God’s temple in the NT.
Says Augustine; “Antichrist means not the prince himself alone, but his whole body, that is, the mass of men who adhere to him, along with him their prince; and they also think that we should render the Greek more exactly were we to read, not “in the temple of God,” but “for” or “as the temple of God,” as if he himself were the temple of God, the Church.1405”
NPNF1-02. St. Augustine’s City of God and Christian Doctrine - Christian Classics Ethereal Library
Most Reformation era churches claimed the Papacy is Antichrist including many post reformation churches including early Baptists and Methodists.
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No such thing as prophetic year . The thousands years used 9 times in the bile represents a unknown as it does throughout the Bible .You could call it the golden measure of faith . Faith is represented as gold .
We are not of the number counting days and people .But rather those who walk by faith .The unseen eternal .
2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
The law and the prophets are the two witnesses together the one witness God has spoken. They will be silenced for a short period .When he sends a famine for the hearing of faith. . . (hearing the law and the prophets). And then comes as a thief in the night, the last day, in the twinkling of the eye.
No drama for Hollywood
We are not of the number counting days and people .But rather those who walk by faith .The unseen eternal .
2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
The law and the prophets are the two witnesses together the one witness God has spoken. They will be silenced for a short period .When he sends a famine for the hearing of faith. . . (hearing the law and the prophets). And then comes as a thief in the night, the last day, in the twinkling of the eye.
No drama for Hollywood
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Your ignorance of a concept does not mean it doesn't exist. If you gave some thought to the context in which this term was used, you would perhaps understand what the poster is meaning.
In Scripture, three time periods are described: 3-1/2 years, 42 months, and 1260 days. These correspond perfectly if the year is 360 days. If you assume that a year is 365 days, the third will not correspond.
In Scripture, three time periods are described: 3-1/2 years, 42 months, and 1260 days. These correspond perfectly if the year is 360 days. If you assume that a year is 365 days, the third will not correspond.
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The Papacy human form sitting in the invisible seat of our father in heaven is one of the many antichrists (plural) .An abomination of desolation. making the truth of God without effect. No man can serve two teaching Masters .
They do it proudly like wearing a badge or a mark. Others not so openly.
Peter is shown as one of the many antichrists moved by the spirit of the father of lies, Satan. Satan as the man of sin has no body to spread his lies and therefore many antichrists'(another teaching authority ) is here .
The Father as Lord rebuked the devil. and forgave Peter of his blasphemy against the Son of man seen . That window of opportunity ended when Jesus disappeared out of sight. leaving us clear instruction .That even though some did know Christ after the flesh and by faith, the unseen .We know him no more.
2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
A person can never find the savior by looking at the flesh of mankind as some infallible teacher .Even Jesus refused to stand in the holy unseen place of the father as a abomination of desolation..
Again God is not a man. Never was never could be.
God is Spirit, God is Light, God is truth . Nothing more and nothing less.
They do it proudly like wearing a badge or a mark. Others not so openly.
Peter is shown as one of the many antichrists moved by the spirit of the father of lies, Satan. Satan as the man of sin has no body to spread his lies and therefore many antichrists'(another teaching authority ) is here .
The Father as Lord rebuked the devil. and forgave Peter of his blasphemy against the Son of man seen . That window of opportunity ended when Jesus disappeared out of sight. leaving us clear instruction .That even though some did know Christ after the flesh and by faith, the unseen .We know him no more.
2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
A person can never find the savior by looking at the flesh of mankind as some infallible teacher .Even Jesus refused to stand in the holy unseen place of the father as a abomination of desolation..
Again God is not a man. Never was never could be.
God is Spirit, God is Light, God is truth . Nothing more and nothing less.
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Yes 9 times throughout the whole bible.
Thanks for the good laugh its works like a medicine but is not cure for unbelief(no faith) .
Whose idea is that like the measurement of men. Those of the number? Not the golden measure of faith found in parables like the parable called the book of Revelation.
Can't find faith by looking at numbers numbering days and people. .Not wise. .
2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
Parables the signified language of God is spoken of in the first verse of Revelation. Preparing us to rightly divide the parables. Some literalize the signified instruction .Like they were never there in the beginning. Without parables Christ spoke not .The whole life of the Son of man was used as a parable of the father moving the Son to do the work of the two.
Its one day represents a unknown, signified by a "thousand years" .Not a literal measurement . One day as if it was a thousand. A thousand as if it was two life times. One day of the patience of God working in us is like a thousand years. never literal . That's for those of the number .(No faith)
Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
Ecclesiastes 6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?
2 Peter 3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
It surely does not change to a literal position in the book that all metaphors as the signified tongue come together to give us the end view. The last day (a unknown)
Will you follow the signified prescription needed to rightly divide the parable? Or like David replied in the Psalms destroy the signified foundation of the book of revelation? Then what could those do that do walk by faith, the golden measure or reed .
Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV) 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
The temporal things seen represent the unseen eternal .We walk by faith the unseen .Not understanding by what we can see (the corrupted) But again the golden reed or measure of faith
Thanks for the good laugh its works like a medicine but is not cure for unbelief(no faith) .
Whose idea is that like the measurement of men. Those of the number? Not the golden measure of faith found in parables like the parable called the book of Revelation.
Can't find faith by looking at numbers numbering days and people. .Not wise. .
2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
Parables the signified language of God is spoken of in the first verse of Revelation. Preparing us to rightly divide the parables. Some literalize the signified instruction .Like they were never there in the beginning. Without parables Christ spoke not .The whole life of the Son of man was used as a parable of the father moving the Son to do the work of the two.
Its one day represents a unknown, signified by a "thousand years" .Not a literal measurement . One day as if it was a thousand. A thousand as if it was two life times. One day of the patience of God working in us is like a thousand years. never literal . That's for those of the number .(No faith)
Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
Ecclesiastes 6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?
2 Peter 3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
It surely does not change to a literal position in the book that all metaphors as the signified tongue come together to give us the end view. The last day (a unknown)
Will you follow the signified prescription needed to rightly divide the parable? Or like David replied in the Psalms destroy the signified foundation of the book of revelation? Then what could those do that do walk by faith, the golden measure or reed .
Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV) 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
The temporal things seen represent the unseen eternal .We walk by faith the unseen .Not understanding by what we can see (the corrupted) But again the golden reed or measure of faith
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Yes 9 times throughout the whole bible.
Thanks for the good laugh its works like a medicine but is not cure for unbelief(no faith) .
Whose idea is that like the measurement of men. Those of the number? Not the golden measure of faith found in parables like the parable called the book of Revelation.
Can't find faith by looking at numbers numbering days and people. .Not wise. .
2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
Parables the signified language of God is spoken of in the first verse of Revelation. Preparing us to rightly divide the parables. Some literalize the signified instruction .Like they were never there in the beginning. Without parables Christ spoke not .The whole life of the Son of man was used as a parable of the father moving the Son to do the work of the two.
Its one day represents a unknown, signified by a "thousand years" .Not a literal measurement . One day as if it was a thousand. A thousand as if it was two life times. One day of the patience of God working in us is like a thousand years. never literal . That's for those of the number .(No faith)
Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
Ecclesiastes 6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?
2 Peter 3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
It surely does not change to a literal position in the book that all metaphors as the signified tongue come together to give us the end view. The last day (a unknown)
Will you follow the signified prescription needed to rightly divide the parable? Or like David replied in the Psalms destroy the signified foundation of the book of revelation? Then what could those do that do walk by faith, the golden measure or reed .
Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV) 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
The temporal things seen represent the unseen eternal .We walk by faith the unseen .Not understanding by what we can see (the corrupted) But again the golden reed or measure of faith
Thanks for the good laugh its works like a medicine but is not cure for unbelief(no faith) .
Whose idea is that like the measurement of men. Those of the number? Not the golden measure of faith found in parables like the parable called the book of Revelation.
Can't find faith by looking at numbers numbering days and people. .Not wise. .
2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
Parables the signified language of God is spoken of in the first verse of Revelation. Preparing us to rightly divide the parables. Some literalize the signified instruction .Like they were never there in the beginning. Without parables Christ spoke not .The whole life of the Son of man was used as a parable of the father moving the Son to do the work of the two.
Its one day represents a unknown, signified by a "thousand years" .Not a literal measurement . One day as if it was a thousand. A thousand as if it was two life times. One day of the patience of God working in us is like a thousand years. never literal . That's for those of the number .(No faith)
Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
Ecclesiastes 6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?
2 Peter 3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
It surely does not change to a literal position in the book that all metaphors as the signified tongue come together to give us the end view. The last day (a unknown)
Will you follow the signified prescription needed to rightly divide the parable? Or like David replied in the Psalms destroy the signified foundation of the book of revelation? Then what could those do that do walk by faith, the golden measure or reed .
Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV) 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
The temporal things seen represent the unseen eternal .We walk by faith the unseen .Not understanding by what we can see (the corrupted) But again the golden reed or measure of faith
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God is not a man (impossible)
Your unwillingness to believe the Father not seen is unbelievable.
Why call Jesus pertaining to what the eyes see "Good Master' Good is the unseen seal of God's approval. And why bow down to the flesh like the man who accused Jesus of standing in the Holy place the abomination of desolation?
God is not a man, never was, never could be .He has no beginning of days or end of Spirit life .He is eternal and not as you assume like the man who called the temporal flesh "Good Master". Destroying the work of faith making it without effect.
Mark 10:16-18 King James Version (KJV)And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them. And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Why did he accuse the Son of man, Jesus as Good Master?
Only God not seen is our Good Master.
Jesus like us had the treasure of the power of the father working in his earthen body of death but that power was not of the Son of man anymore than it is of us.
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
The one time demonstration of the lamb of God who was slain from before the foundation as part of the plan of faith is over. And another outward demonstration is not scheduled..
The fleshly demonstration did not profit. The unseen work of the father pouring out His Spirit life did profit.
It would seem it you that is hoping the flesh of Jesus as the Son of man could profit. Its simply another gospel.... which is no good news.
Your unwillingness to believe the Father not seen is unbelievable.
Why call Jesus pertaining to what the eyes see "Good Master' Good is the unseen seal of God's approval. And why bow down to the flesh like the man who accused Jesus of standing in the Holy place the abomination of desolation?
God is not a man, never was, never could be .He has no beginning of days or end of Spirit life .He is eternal and not as you assume like the man who called the temporal flesh "Good Master". Destroying the work of faith making it without effect.
Mark 10:16-18 King James Version (KJV)And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them. And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Why did he accuse the Son of man, Jesus as Good Master?
Only God not seen is our Good Master.
Jesus like us had the treasure of the power of the father working in his earthen body of death but that power was not of the Son of man anymore than it is of us.
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
The one time demonstration of the lamb of God who was slain from before the foundation as part of the plan of faith is over. And another outward demonstration is not scheduled..
The fleshly demonstration did not profit. The unseen work of the father pouring out His Spirit life did profit.
It would seem it you that is hoping the flesh of Jesus as the Son of man could profit. Its simply another gospel.... which is no good news.
He has been restrained since the beginning of time...when you read Paulś letter to the Thesselonians, it was because some were saying that they had missed the resurrection...that CHRIST had come already...and Paul says, no...
In order for the man of sin to be revealed...to manifest himself, GOD would have to be delayed 21 days, (Just as Daniel prophecies)...
When HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way...(temporarily)...when GOD, who holds all things back by HIS everyday grace upon all men (believer and unbeliever) so that we are never totally destroyed... lets go...then satan will have full (temporary) reign...during that 21 (3 somewhat year) period....
In order for the man of sin to be revealed...to manifest himself, GOD would have to be delayed 21 days, (Just as Daniel prophecies)...
When HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way...(temporarily)...when GOD, who holds all things back by HIS everyday grace upon all men (believer and unbeliever) so that we are never totally destroyed... lets go...then satan will have full (temporary) reign...during that 21 (3 somewhat year) period....
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