Do you still sin?

Oh, @NOV25, uh-oh! You're stumbling.......

There's no need to bring up "denominations" - these simply divide believers. WE are all one IN CHRIST.



1 Corinthians 3:3-5 King James Version (KJV)
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?

Since you avoided answering my last post to you I will ask my question again?

Define "stumbling" or "falling down?" Please give me an example of what you mean?

And your right, the Blood of Jesus Christ on that cross took away ALL our sins, past, present and future, this is a given.

And since this is true why does John say at 1 John 1:9-10 say, "If we confes our sins, (Why does John tell us to confess our sins is as believers we don't sin according to you?)

Remember John is writing to believers otherwise why does John say at 1 John 2:1, "My little children?" And getting back to vs10 of chapter 1, "If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."

The "BIG" problem your having is you do not know how to reconcile what I just said with 1 John 3:8-10. In short, you have tunnel vision and your not willing to face the Biblical fact that as believers we still commit sin. Reconcile, reconcile, reconcile Lafftur.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

I'm so sorry I was not able to answer your last post #129 in a more timely manner, bluto. Please forgive me, it takes a lot of time to respond to everyone..... but, you'll notice that I did respond today.



An example in scripture is whenever Paul reprimanded believers for being "carnal." That's when we stumble over our flesh because we're not walking by the Spirit. When we're little babes in Christ learning how to walk.

1 Corinthians 3:1-4 King James Version (KJV)
1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?



Exactly! It's confusing...... how can I be saved and STILL have sin?! This question is what puzzles MANY believers. I also think this is why people don't believe they are Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS) because they STILL struggle with "sin in their flesh" - it becomes so easy to doubt our salvation and fall away from the Truth of who we are IN CHRIST.

I am absolutely certain that I am saved, but I was trying to make sense out of "my flesh" that I seem to STILL have to contend with - just like Paul was confused about it. I knew the penalty of sin is Death, yet, I also knew I was NOT condemned IN CHRIST. So, I came to the conclusion that I cannot sin anymore because I have received Eternal Life IN CHRIST. So, I must just be learning how to walk by the Spirit because it's the ONLY WAY to NOT fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

However, after reading....

1 John 5:16-18 King James Version (KJV)
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.


it became clear that THERE IS A SIN NOT UNTO DEATH! Well, Praise God!!! Now, it makes sense.

Now, I understand, like Paul - sin is STILL in my flesh, but it is sin that is NOT unto Death. I am to learn to walk by the Spirit so I do NOT fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

We're SAVED and ALWAYS SAVED!! Hallelujah!! We're God's children learning how to walk.



My tunnel vision was that I thought ALL SIN was unto Death, but now I know that is not true because there is a SIN that is NOT unto Death. This is the ONLY type of sin that true born again believers deal with and must overcome and WE CAN by learning how to walk by the Spirit!!! Praise God!!!

Thank You, Father for the Gift of Your Holy Spirit that empowers us to walk in a way that is pleasing in Your sight!!

Much love to you, bluto!

I'm so sorry I was not able to answer your last post #129 in a more timely manner, bluto. Please forgive me, it takes a lot of time to respond to everyone..... but, you'll notice that I did respond today.



An example in scripture is whenever Paul reprimanded believers for being "carnal." That's when we stumble over our flesh because we're not walking by the Spirit. When we're little babes in Christ learning how to walk.

1 Corinthians 3:1-4 King James Version (KJV)
1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?



Exactly! It's confusing...... how can I be saved and STILL have sin?! This question is what puzzles MANY believers. I also think this is why people don't believe they are Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS) because they STILL struggle with "sin in their flesh" - it becomes so easy to doubt our salvation and fall away from the Truth of who we are IN CHRIST.

I am absolutely certain that I am saved, but I was trying to make sense out of "my flesh" that I seem to STILL have to contend with - just like Paul was confused about it. I knew the penalty of sin is Death, yet, I also knew I was NOT condemned IN CHRIST. So, I came to the conclusion that I cannot sin anymore because I have received Eternal Life IN CHRIST. So, I must just be learning how to walk by the Spirit because it's the ONLY WAY to NOT fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

However, after reading....

1 John 5:16-18 King James Version (KJV)
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.


it became clear that THERE IS A SIN NOT UNTO DEATH! Well, Praise God!!! Now, it makes sense.

Now, I understand, like Paul - sin is STILL in my flesh, but it is sin that is NOT unto Death. I am to learn to walk by the Spirit so I do NOT fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

We're SAVED and ALWAYS SAVED!! Hallelujah!! We're God's children learning how to walk.



My tunnel vision was that I thought ALL SIN was unto Death, but now I know that is not true because there is a SIN that is NOT unto Death. This is the ONLY type of sin that true born again believers deal with and must overcome and WE CAN by learning how to walk by the Spirit!!! Praise God!!!

Thank You, Father for the Gift of Your Holy Spirit that empowers us to walk in a way that is pleasing in Your sight!!

Much love to you, bluto!

Hello again, Lafftur!

The following is from "Gotquestions" which conveys what I have been trying to get you to understand. I hope this will shed some light on the subject as to whether those in Christ still commit sin. Please read all of it, including the last paragraph.

Question: "Do Christians sin?"

Answer: Before exploring whether or not Christians sin, let’s define a couple of terms. Regardless of how tattered the word Christian has become throughout history, the biblical definition of a “Christian” is one who is a Christ-follower, a disciple of Jesus (Acts 11:26). A Christian is NOT someone who has ascribed to a particular set of religious beliefs or practices, joined a church, prayed a prayer, or participated in certain sacraments or rituals. A Christian is a person who has responded to the conviction of the Holy Spirit (John 6:44) by putting his or her whole faith in the finished work of Christ for salvation (Ephesians 2:8–9; John 3:15–18). Christians are those who have repented of their sin and have made Jesus Lord of their lives (Romans 10:9–10; Acts 2:38). They are born again by the power of the Holy Spirit (John 3:6–7).

“Sin” is any thought, word, or action that is contrary to the character or law of God. We all sin (Romans 3:23), and even what we consider good deeds are often tainted by selfish motives or pride (Isaiah 64:6). Left to ourselves, it is impossible to please God or to be completely free from sin (Romans 3:10; Ecclesiastes 7:10).

When we come to Christ by faith and trust Him to forgive and cleanse us of all our sin, we are in that moment born again (John 3:3). That new birth of the spirit results in a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17). God gives the repentant sinner a new heart that is now turned toward obeying and pleasing Him rather than self (2 Corinthians 5:9; Romans 8:5–6). Whereas we were formerly slaves to sin, we are now “slaves to righteousness” (Romans 6:16). Sin’s control has been broken by the power of Jesus (Romans 6:6; Titus 2:14).

However, we still live in the flesh, and the flesh is prone to want what it wants. In Romans 7:21–23, Paul admits the battle between flesh and spirit in his own life: “So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me.” Each battle with temptation is won or lost based upon how fully we are surrendered to the control of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:16–17).

The book of 1 John was written to Christians. The apostle says, “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:8–9). It is clear from this passage that even those who have been born again and redeemed by the blood of Jesus will still sin. Through thought, attitude, or action, we will “grieve” (Ephesians 4:30) and “quench” (1 Thessalonians 5:19) the Holy Spirit at times. But this passage also reassures us that God offers continual, ongoing grace whenever we agree with Him about our sin and ask for His cleansing.

However, other passages clarify the boundaries of this ocean of grace. First John 3:6 says, “No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.” Verse 9 says that those who have been “born of God” will not continue to live sinfully. The implication is that this is not a matter of trying harder. Rather, it is the equivalent of saying, “A fish cannot remain on land for long because its nature is to seek water.” A fish could flop onto the shore and survive for a short time. But it was not made for land and cannot continue there. When we are born again, our natures change, and we cannot continue in sin. Christ not only erases our past sin; He also transforms our hearts so that we no longer desire it (Colossians 2:13–14).

Colossians 2:13-14 King James Version (KJV)
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Paul asked, “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?” (Romans 6:1–2).

Although Christians will still sin after being saved, the heart change that the Holy Spirit brings will result in a new attitude toward sin. Sin cannot continue being a lifestyle choice if we have surrendered our lives to Jesus. That’s what it means to say that Jesus is Lord (Romans 10:9; Colossians 2:6). We have a new boss. We cannot be followers of Christ and followers of sin at the same time. They are going in opposite directions (Luke 9:23; 14:33). Romans 12:2 instructs, “Be transformed by the renewing of your mind.” Renewal can take some time, but it is a process that produces a change of behavior.

When a true child of God goes astray, our Father administers discipline to bring him back into obedience. Hebrews 12:7–8 says, “It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.” If a professing Christian can choose a lifestyle of sin without experiencing enough discipline to bring him to repentance, then according to this Scripture, it is highly unlikely that that person is a child of God.

Do Christians sin? Yes. Do they willfully continue in sin? No. Scripture indicates that, while we will always (at times) “fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23), we have the hope that the power of God is at work in us to “make us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image” (2 Corinthians 3:18, NLT).

Thanks for that I vote Lafftur. You and one other dear lady here are a beautiful example of what it means to truly have Christ inside.
Blessings to you.

Anyone know of a thread that might give good biblical response to what the sin unto death is? Unbelief, blasphemy?

Just making a guess here. Are you thinking about Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? Jesus said, anyone who does as such is in peril because it is the unforgiveable sin.

Well, I am just trying to figure out the sin unto death verses sin not unto death we see in the verse. I am guessing it is referencing blasephemy. Some believe Blasphemy is unbelief, but I think it is more. Again, do not know for sure...

If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask and God will for him give life to those who commit sin not leading to death. There is a sin leading to death; I do not say that he should make request for this.
1 John 5:16 NASB


I do not know.

Well, I am just trying to figure out the sin unto death verses sin not unto death we see in the verse. I am guessing it is referencing blasephemy. Some believe Blasphemy is unbelief, but I think it is more. Again, do not know for sure...

If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask and God will for him give life to those who commit sin not leading to death. There is a sin leading to death; I do not say that he should make request for this.
1 John 5:16 NASB

I do not know.

Hello Sister, this discussion would make for a good thread, I would think (and perhaps a poll too)

I've been taught (for instance) that "a sin leading to death" has nothing to do with the very specific sin known as the "blasphemy of the HS" (which is unpardonable ~both~ on this side of grave, as well in the age to come). Rather, that the "death" being spoken of here involves a sinning believer's death (which makes sense in context), that it is a sin that leads to the temporal/physical .. NOT .. the eternal/spiritual death of a believer.

It's not unpardonable, but it is a sin (like the sin that Ananias and Sapphira committed .. Acts 5:1-11) where a believer's witness has become so totally compromised that he/she has become, at best, useless as a Christian, so God takes the sinning believer home (for the good of the believing community and/or the unbelieving world, as well for the sinning believer's good).

That said, there are many, like our RC friends, who teach that 1 John 5:16 'is' talking about the unpardonable sin (so again, it should make for a good discussion).

God bless you!

~Deut