Do you still sin?

[Ahwatukee]

Hello my wonderful brother Ahwatukee! God bless you, too!

It is a joy to search the scriptures with you. You are a tremendous blessing, thank you.

I would not say "credited" instead I would say "recreated" because we have been born again with a new nature which is The Righteousness of God IN CHRIST JESUS. Our soul is being restored and our body will be redeemed. When He appears - we will be just like Him. All glory to God! He did it ALL!!

You should know that when I teach something regarding the word of God, it is not by my own interpretation, but what I have garnered from scripture. That said, that we are 'credited with righteousness' is the perfect scriptural word to describe what God has done for us through His Son.

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"Then the word of the LORD came to Abram, saying, “This one will not be your heir, but one who comes from your own body will be your heir.” 5And the LORD took him outside and said, “Now look to the heavens and count the stars, if you are able.” Then He told him, “So shall your offspring be.”

Abram believed the LORD, and it was credited to him as righteousness.
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So according to the scripture above, Abraham was credited with righteousness because he believed God, i.e. had faith in what God had promised. It is by this same faith in God that every believer in Christ is saved, ergo we are credited with rightousness. Paul brings up this very issue:

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Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as he had been told, “So shall your offspring be.” 19Without weakening in his faith, he acknowledged the decrepitness of his body (since he was about a hundred years old) and the lifelessness of Sarah’s womb. 20Yet he did not waver through disbelief in the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21being fully persuaded that God was able to do what He had promised. 22That is why “it was credited to him as righteousness.”

23Now the words “it was credited to him” were written not only for Abraham, 24but also for us, to whom righteousness will be credited—for us who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. 25He was delivered over to death for our trespasses and was raised to life for our justification.
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We are credited with righteousness through faith. It is not by our own righteousness that we are being saved . As previously posted, every thing that Jesus accomplished is credited to the believer. Since Jesus himself had no sin, then everything that He did was for us in order to satisfy those requirements. When we have faith, the righteousness of Christ is credited to the believer. So, God sees those who believe in His Son as perfect, even though we still have our sinful natures. And yes, our natures are sinful because we were born into sin through Adam and Eve. We will be perfected at the resurrection when we will receive our immortal and glorified bodies.

 

[Lightskin]

By the way, sin that leads to death, is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which when the Pharisees said that Jesus was casting out demons through the prince of demons. Since Jesus was casting out demons by the Spirit of God, they were calling the Holy Spirit evil. And that is the unforgiveable sin is, the sin that leads to death. Otherwise, all manner of sins and blasphemy shall be forgiven.

Where do you get this nonsense? What you describe is not the unforgivable sin of blasphemy. The unforgivable sin is denying Jesus Christ is the Messiah, the Son of God. That’s why people who don’t believe in Him are condemned.

 

[Bbrdrd]

Where do you get this nonsense? What you describe is not the unforgivable sin of blasphemy. The unforgivable sin is denying Jesus Christ is the Messiah, the Son of God. That’s why people who don’t believe in Him are condemned.

The unforgiveable sin is literally "blasphemy of the Spirit." what that means is open to debate, but in the context of Matthew 12 it seems to be mistaking the works of the Holy Spirit for the works of the devil, and it can be inferred to go in the opposite direction as well. If someone thinks the Holy Spirit is speaking to them and it is actually satan they will find themselves being led into sin and follow it to their own destruction.

Matthew 12:31-32: "And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. "

 

[CharliRenee]

The unforgiveable sin is literally "blasphemy of the Spirit." what that means is open to debate, but in the context of Matthew 12 it seems to be mistaking the works of the Holy Spirit for the works of the devil, and it can be inferred to go in the opposite direction as well. If someone thinks the Holy Spirit is speaking to them and it is actually satan they will find themselves being led into sin and follow it to their own destruction.

Matthew 12:31-32: "And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. "

You know in studying the sin not unto death, I found this and I thought you all might think it interesting. I mean, you probably already know this verse but I believe with regards to blasphemy it is interesting. I just wanted to share what I found ...

Look...

though formerly I was a blasphemer, persecutor, and insolent opponent. But I received mercy because I had acted ignorantly in unbelief,
1 Timothy 1:13 ESV

So we see that the difference is he was ignorant in unbelief.

Interesting huh?

This is not me debating with anyone about what the sin unto death is, I am still sitting with that one, just thought it helpful...

I can now be more equipped to answer someone who after being saved, and who is worried about what if they committed said sin prior and didn't know it. It has indeed come up with mature and new believers and I can answer, saying that God knows you were ignorant in your unbelief and point them to this verse.

Praise the Lord for opening His word to us!!!!!

Ok y'all have a good one.

 

[EleventhHour]

Where do you get this nonsense? What you describe is not the unforgivable sin of blasphemy. The unforgivable sin is denying Jesus Christ is the Messiah, the Son of God. That’s why people who don’t believe in Him are condemned.

Agree

The Holy Spirit leads us to truth. Therefore the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is unbelief, rejecting Christ.

 

[Lightskin]

The unforgiveable sin is literally "blasphemy of the Spirit." what that means is open to debate, but in the context of Matthew 12 it seems to be mistaking the works of the Holy Spirit for the works of the devil, and it can be inferred to go in the opposite direction as well. If someone thinks the Holy Spirit is speaking to them and it is actually satan they will find themselves being led into sin and follow it to their own destruction.

Matthew 12:31-32: "And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. "

Denying Christ is the unforgivable sin because you’re calling God a liar. In essence you’re speaking against the Holy Spirit of God.

 

[JesusLives]

@tourist and @JesusLives - both of you are such blessings to all of us! We love y'all! Thank you both through the years for speaking such kind, humorous and encouraging words to all believers!

Thank you for your kind words. I try to present the truth and it is God who works with Holy Spirit to convict people of the truth. I am just a seed planter and it is God's job to make it grow.

I really don't like to argue and do major debating as I feel it goes nowhere and it isn't a matter of who's right it's a matter of sharing the truth, with kindness and love. I pray God helps us to do our job and I know He is doing His and the truth will grow on good ground, rocky soil and seed thrown on the wayside may have some problems but God knows who's hearts are ready to hear and receive the truth and I trust Him that it will grow greatly in the good soil to produce the harvest He knows will be ready when Jesus comes.

 

[Lafftur]

Where do you get this nonsense? What you describe is not the unforgivable sin of blasphemy. The unforgivable sin is denying Jesus Christ is the Messiah, the Son of God. That’s why people who don’t believe in Him are condemned.

@Lightskin and @EleventhHour - Go back and actually read ALL of post #210

 

[Lafftur]

Denying Christ is the unforgivable sin because you’re calling God a liar. In essence you’re speaking against the Holy Spirit of God.

No, denying Christ as the Son and as Lord is the spirit of Anti-Christ.

Go read all of 1 John 1-5

 

[Bbrdrd]

Denying Christ is the unforgivable sin because you’re calling God a liar. In essence you’re speaking against the Holy Spirit of God.

Maybe, but I'm honestly not entirely sure what's meant to be honest. For a long time I was convinced that it was believing yourself to be Jesus Christ. But it seems to me that it's a matter of discernment since there are two spiritual forces in the war and confusing them leads to disastrous results. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit would be falling in love with the evil one and spurning the Holy One. Of course, doing so would lead to a rejection of Jesus and His atonement but that's more a result than the cause.

 

[Lightskin]

No, denying Christ as the Son and as Lord is the spirit of Anti-Christ.

Go read all of 1 John 1-5

Since you fail to understand such a basic concept then there’s no point conversing with you any longer. God bless.

 

[EleventhHour]

@Lightskin and @EleventhHour - Go back and actually read ALL of post #210

I did the first time.

 

[Lafftur]

You should know that when I teach something regarding the word of God, it is not by my own interpretation, but what I have garnered from scripture. That said, that we are 'credited with righteousness' is the perfect scriptural word to describe what God has done for us through His Son.

Your diligent garnering of the scriptures is noted and respected, but it does not mean it is accurate all the time and the same is true for me.

So, how do we accurately understand the scriptures.....

Once again - enters the Holy Spirit....... it does not matter how diligent we search the scriptures, we know NOTHING unless the Holy Spirit teaches us.

Even so, we keep searching the scriptures for it pleases God that we do so.

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"Then the word of the LORD came to Abram, saying, “This one will not be your heir, but one who comes from your own body will be your heir.” 5And the LORD took him outside and said, “Now look to the heavens and count the stars, if you are able.” Then He told him, “So shall your offspring be.”

Abram believed the LORD, and it was credited to him as righteousness.
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So according to the scripture above, Abraham was credited with righteousness because he believed God, i.e. had faith in what God had promised. It is by this same faith in God that every believer in Christ is saved, ergo we are credited with righteousness.

Receiving by faith a promise from God is credited to us as righteousness, but it is not to be confused with "the actual promise" that God is giving us.

Paul brings up this very issue:

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Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as he had been told, “So shall your offspring be.” 19Without weakening in his faith, he acknowledged the decrepitness of his body (since he was about a hundred years old) and the lifelessness of Sarah’s womb. 20Yet he did not waver through disbelief in the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21being fully persuaded that God was able to do what He had promised. 22That is why “it was credited to him as righteousness.”

23Now the words “it was credited to him” were written not only for Abraham, 24but also for us, to whom righteousness will be credited—for us who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. 25He was delivered over to death for our trespasses and was raised to life for our justification.
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We are credited with righteousness through faith. <= this righteousness that God credits us with is how we receive Christ.

The Blood and Body of Yeshua/Jesus Christ is "the actual promise" that God is giving to us. However, the promise is NOT to be confused with the "receiving of the promise."

Christ is the incorruptible seed of God given to us.....

1 Peter 1:22-24 King James Version (KJV)
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

Yeshua/Jesus Christ is The Incorruptible Seed by the Word of God - He is The Righteousness of God that has "recreated" us into a new creation with a new nature.

As true born again believers, we no longer have a "sinful nature," but we do still have "sinful flesh" that is why we take up our cross, deny ourselves (sinful flesh) and follow Yeshua/Jesus Christ. We can only do this "walk with our cross" by the power of God's Holy Spirit in us because God is walking, not us.

This "walk" is just ONE MORE THING God wants to do for us - absolutely amazing!

It is not by our own righteousness that we are being saved.

I agree.

As previously posted, every thing that Jesus accomplished

is credited to the believer. Since Jesus himself had no sin, then everything that He did was for us in order to satisfy those requirements.

Yes, I agree.

When we have faith, the righteousness of Christ is credited to the believer.

Well, I see it differently....

When we have faith in Christ, we are able to "receive" Him - The Incorruptible Seed of God which is The Righteousness of God IN CHRIST JESUS - which is "the actual promise" God is giving us.

So, God sees those who believe in His Son as perfect, even though we still have our sinful natures.

Again, I see it differently...

Yeshua/Jesus Christ is the Firstborn of many brethren. God sees those who have not only believed, but also received His Son as perfect and also as His sons because the incorruptible seed of God (Christ) has recreated us with a new nature - we are a new creation in Christ - old things (sinful nature) are passed away, behold all is made new.

We just STILL have our "sinful flesh" to contend with, but NOT our "sinful nature."

And yes, our natures are sinful because we were born into sin through Adam and Eve.

Yes, we were born into sin through Adam and Eve, BUT as true born again believers IN CHRIST we no longer have the same "sinful nature." We have a new nature IN CHRIST.

However, we do STILL have our "sinful flesh" that we received from Adam and Eve which is our souls and our bodies.

We will be perfected at the resurrection when we will receive our immortal and glorified bodies.

Yes, I agree! Hallelujah!!

Ahwatukee..... you are my brother and I am your sister in Christ. The most important thing is that we love one another as the family of God. We both know it's okay if we disagree or understand differently.

 

[NOV25]

@Lafftur How’s it going, have you figured out whether you sin or not?

 

[Lafftur]

@Lafftur How’s it going, have you figured out whether you sin or not?

Hello @NOV25

Only if I'm not filled with the Holy Spirit - got to walk by the Spirit. If we don't, then we're walking by our sinful flesh.

Just got to learn how to let God do all the "walking" in us and for us. Just like how He died for us, fulfilled all righteousness for us, etc.....

God loves us, and the grand finale' will be amazing........

1 Thessalonians 5:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[NOV25]

An in-depth study on sanctification would be helpful, this will get you started.

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Sanctification is a continuing change worked by God in us, freeing us from sinful habits and forming in us Christlike affections, dispositions, and virtues. It does not mean that sin is instantly eradicated, but it is also more than a counteraction, in which sin is merely restrained or repressed without being progressively destroyed. Sanctification is a real transformation, not just the appearance of one.

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GOD CALLS HIS CHILDREN TO HOLINESS, AND GRACIOUSLY GIVES WHAT HE COMMANDS.​

The basic meaning of “sanctify” is to set apart to God, for His use. But God works in those whom He claims as His own to conform them “to the image of his Son” (Rom. 8:29). This moral renovation, in which we are increasingly changed from what we once were, flows from the agency of the indwelling Holy Spirit (Rom. 8:13; 12:1, 2; 1 Cor. 6:11, 19, 20; 2 Cor. 3:18; Eph. 4:22–24; 1 Thess. 5:23; 2 Thess. 2:13; Heb. 13:20, 21). God calls His children to holiness, and graciously gives what He commands (1 Thess. 4:4; 5:23).

Regeneration is birth; sanctification is growth. In regeneration, God implants desires that were not there before: desire for God, for holiness, and for glorifying God’s name in the world; desire to pray and worship; desire to love and bring benefit to others. In sanctification, the Holy Spirit “works in you, both to will and to work” according to God’s purpose, enabling His people to fulfill their new, godly desires (Phil. 2:12, 13). Christians become increasingly Christlike, as the moral profile of Jesus (the “fruit of the Spirit”) is progressively formed in them (2 Cor. 3:18; Gal. 4:19; 5:22–25).

Regeneration is a momentary act, bringing a person from spiritual death to life. It is exclusively God’s work. Sanctification is an ongoing process, dependent on God’s continuing action in the believer, and consisting of the believer’s continuous struggle against sin. God’s method of sanctification is neither activism (self-reliant activity) nor apathy (God-reliant passivity), but human effort dependent on God (2 Cor. 7:1; Phil. 3:10–14; Heb. 12:14). Knowing that without Christ’s enabling we cannot do good works, but also that He is ready to strengthen us for all we have to do (Phil. 4:13), we “abide” in Christ, asking for His help constantly— and we receive it (Col. 1:11; 1 Tim. 1:12; 2 Tim. 1:7; 2:1).

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REGENERATION IS BIRTH; SANCTIFICATION IS GROWTH.​

The standard to which God’s work of sanctifying His saints is directed is His own revealed moral law, expounded and modeled by Christ Himself. Christ’s love, humility, and patience are a supreme standard for Christians (Rom. 13:10; Eph. 5:2; Phil. 2:5–11; 1 Pet. 2:21).

Believers find within themselves contrary urgings. The Spirit sustains their regenerate desires and purposes, but their fallen instincts (the “flesh”) obstruct their path and drag them back. The conflict of these two is sharp. Paul says he is unable to do what is right, and unable to restrain himself from doing what is wrong (Rom. 7:14–25). This conflict and frustration will be with Christians as long as they are in the body. Yet by watching and praying against temptation, and cultivating opposite virtues, they may through the Spirit’s help “put to death” particular bad habits (Rom. 8:13; Col. 3:5). They will experience many particular deliverances and victories in their battle with sin, while not being exposed to temptations that are impossible to resist (1 Cor. 10:13).

 

[tourist]

No, denying Christ as the Son and as Lord is the spirit of Anti-Christ.

Go read all of 1 John 1-5

I just read that post and your estimation is right on target.

 

[Lightskin]

I just read that post and your estimation is right on target.

Denying that Jesus Christ is the Son of God is the unforgivable sin.

 

[CherieR]

Denying that Jesus Christ is the Son of God is the unforgivable sin.

One may deny Jesus but turn later and believe on Jesus and receive him and be saved.

 

[Lightskin]

One may deny Jesus but turn later and believe on Jesus and receive him and be saved.

Happens all the time. When such people die are they guilty? No, but the people who draw their last breath still denying Jesus are guilty.