Why God wants (or need ) to create us (human beings) and why he Create us?

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Joe

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I have many questions to learn from all of you here. Please allow me to ask you all an other question if you don't mind.

Why God want (or need ) to create us (human beings) and why he Create us?

Obviously, it is clear that creating human beings along with the whole universe is a rather complicated hard work, why God spend his time to do the job? It maybe more easier and happier for him to spend his time to drink beer on sandbeach for himself, right? :)
 

Roughsoul1991

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I have many questions to learn from all of you here. Please allow me to ask you all an other question if you don't mind.

Why God want (or need ) to create us (human beings) and why he Create us?

Obviously, it is clear that creating human beings along with the whole universe is a rather complicated hard work, why God spend his time to do the job? It maybe more easier and happier for him to spend his time to drink beer on sandbeach for himself, right? :)
Biblically God is all powerful, all knowledgeable, always just, loving, always present, and a theistic God who chooses to relationally respond to His creation.

God being all knowing and all powerful simply spoke everything into existence. Wasn't complicated for God. In fact creating humans wasn't complicated because God is outside of time and already could see the end results. God from the beginning of time had decided it was worth it.

God could of created slaves or mindless robots to worship and give him a false sense of love. But God being the ultimate source of love wanted true love. You cannot get true love from force or robots. So from the beginning God allowed free will, a choice. Mankind fell into sin. But God had a predetermined plan to redeem mankind and was with mankind every step of the way as His will was accomplished.

Of course it could of been easy to completely wiped us out during the days of Noah, start over completely or never create a human again. But the answer ultimately is love. God from the beginning saw those who choose to love Him and that was worth it, the Son saw it was worth to die for it, and we must acknowledge how worthy God is of our worship and why we should wholeheartedly love Him back. It doesn't just make God happy but it fulfills our purpose.

We was created to love God, serve God and others, grow in God, and share God. Love is the why we was created. The what for is simple. In love we who choose to love God have a eternal destination with God and are called to share the good news that is available to all who believe.

That is essentially our mission. Anything outside of that is temporary, will fade away, wont matter on the eternal scale.
 

Lafftur

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Great question, Joe!

Just pretend for a moment and try to see EVERYTHING through God’s eyes....

As God, You can create any and every habitat - thus, we have all the various galaxies, solar systems, universes, and all the unseen realm of principalities, spiritual beings, demons, angels, et al.

Any and everything you desire - just speak and it is so.....yet, after having everything you desire, why are you not satisfied?

Because the greatest desire, need and want of LOVE is NOT habitats and things but........

....to love and to be loved.

Here’s God’s dilemma.... love cannot be created.

He can create everything except love - the one and only thing that God truly wants.

So, He creates us in His image and gives us the “capacity” to love and gives us free will because love without a choice is manipulation, not love at all - just a bunch of robots.

So, what role does “free will” and “predestination” play in this scenario....:unsure:

God offers us two paths - Life and Death. With our free will we get to choose the path, however, the paths are predestined- one ends in Life the other in Death.

God tells us to choose Life but, He leaves the decision up to us.

So those in Heaven will truly love God because they chose to - God will finally have what He has always wanted......to love and be loved by us.


But, we need to choose Life.....:love:(y)
 

Lafftur

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We were created by God to have fellowship with Him - a relationship, intimate loving fellowship - receiving and giving love - but love comes with a price.... love has to have a choice or it is NOT love.

Well, we made a bad choice and sin entered the world and separated us from God, but God is the God of "second chances"!

God offers us a second chance to choose to love Him, He offers us Life with Him or Death without Him.

Deuteronomy 30:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

God's Will is that we would choose Life which is filled with blessings. He wants us to be with Him now on the Earth and in all eternity. God loves us!

Our sin separates us from God. He could have just annihilated us, but instead He chose to save us. He chose to give us Life, not Death. Now, God wants us to also choose Life, not Death.

On purpose, God gave us a choice because He doesn't want robots, He wants us to choose to love Him, to choose to know Him, to choose to be with Him. We don't have to wait till we die and go to heaven to be with God, we can be with Him now, on the Earth.

Yeshua/Jesus had to come to take away our sin so that we could receive the Gift of Eternal Life and be reconciled to the Father just because He loves us and wants to enjoy fellowship with us now on the Earth and in eternity.

By receiving the Body of Yeshua/Jesus, we receive the Righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.
By receiving the Blood of Yeshua/Jesus, we receive total forgiveness and penalty paid in full for all our sins.

The Righteousness of God in Christ Jesus is the Human Fulfillment of the Law of Moses. While on the Earth, Yeshua/Jesus fulfilled all of the Human Law of Moses in His Body - every good work and obedience to the Law of Moses was recorded and fulfilled in the Body of Yeshua/Jesus, as well as all that the Prophets had written about Him.

On the Mount of Transfiguration Yeshua/Jesus was examined by Moses and Elijah - the Law and the Prophets. He was transfigured because He passed His examination - He had fulfilled all the "works" of righteousness for us.

Now, He was ready to go to the Cross where He would pour out His Blood and give His Life for us so that we would be able to choose Life. His Blood was examined and accepted by the Father. We know this because He rose from the dead, alive forevermore - the firstborn of many brethren. Yeshua/Jesus Christ offers us His Body and Blood, He offers us Life, if we reject Christ, then we have chosen Death.

Yeshua/Jesus Christ is the ONLY SAVIOR for us, there is NO OTHER. Don't play with or gamble the Gift of Eternal Life that the Father offers you. Death is real. There is a Lake of Fire that awaits those that choose the path of Death, by rejecting Yeshua/Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord.

After we make our decision with ALL our heart and choose Life by receiving Yeshua/Jesus as our Lord and Savior, we are "sealed" with the Holy Spirit immediately and marked as God's possession.

However, the "baptism" and "continually being filled" with the Holy Spirit is a Gift from the Father - just as He gave us the Gift of His Son - He gives us the Gift of the Holy Spirit which empowers us to live this new life in Christ that has been given us.

After we are "sealed" with the Holy Spirit, God wants to "baptize" us with the Holy Spirit. Our body is to be the Temple of the Holy Spirit - to be indwelt with the Holy Spirit. This is Emanuel - God with us on the Earth.

The "baptism" with the Holy Spirit is when God first fills you with His Holy Spirit. To help understand this, Solomon built the first Temple in Jerusalem and after the priests had placed the Ark in the Holy of Holies and left the temple, the Glory Cloud (Holy Spirit) filled the temple.


1 Kings 8:10-11 New International Version (NIV)
10 When the priests withdrew from the Holy Place, the cloud filled the temple of the Lord. 11 And the priests could not perform their service because of the cloud, for the glory of the Lord filled his temple.


The same happens to us - it's phenomenal! Absolutely a joyous time! You'll know when it happens.

After we are saved with the Body and Blood of Yeshua/Jesus, sealed with the Holy Spirit and baptized in water.......

How do we get baptized and filled with the Holy Spirit?

Simply ask the Father and the Lord Yeshua/Jesus Christ, "Father, Lord Jesus, I receive Your Gift of the Holy Spirit, baptize and fill me. Indwell me with Your Holy Spirit, I want to live with You on the Earth now and for all eternity. I choose Life. Your Gift of Eternal Life in me. Thank You, Father, in the Name of Yeshua/Jesus, amen."

The Holy Spirit dwells within us and with us on the Earth - just as Yeshua/Jesus was with His disciples on the Earth. The Holy Spirit will teach us, guide us, counsel us, comfort us, instruct us, correct us, empower us to be an effective witness of Yeshua/Jesus, and always be with us.

After the "baptism" of the Holy Spirit, the scriptures open up so beautifully to us and the things of God begin to make sense, we receive understanding and our love for God and His Ways increases tremendously.

However, loving God is ALWAYS a choice. He never takes the "choice" away from us. Every day if we do not choose God, then our flesh gets stronger and we backslide. It's very important to stay "filled" with the Holy Spirit. We do this by reading and meditating on God's Word, praying, singing songs in our hearts to God, fellow-shipping with other believers, etc.

Our flesh grieves the Holy Spirit. We need to learn to walk by the Spirit so we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. It's a choice..... just keep choosing Life! :love:(y)
 

Adstar

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I have many questions to learn from all of you here. Please allow me to ask you all an other question if you don't mind.

Why God want (or need ) to create us (human beings) and why he Create us?

Obviously, it is clear that creating human beings along with the whole universe is a rather complicated hard work, why God spend his time to do the job? It maybe more easier and happier for him to spend his time to drink beer on sandbeach for himself, right? :)
There is a great controversy in heaven between God and a number of His Angels..

Lucifer was the leader of this opposition to God.. Lucifer /Satans claim was that God was not justified in being the one and only God of all existence and that He should be a God, the equal of God..

I believe God created the universe and us as a platform where satans claim to Godhood could be demonstrated as being false and wrong..

So God created the world and our first ancestors and as He said it was initially Good.. So what did satan do? He came down to sabotage Gods creation by enticing our ancestors to take for themselves the knowledge of good and evil and the enticement was ??? You guessed it that humans would be As God knowing good and evil.. Satan was telling them that the also could be Gods like God.. Well the humans fell for the deception of satan and decided to dis- believe Gods warning against doing such a thing..

I believe satan thought He had God defeated.. between a rock and a hard place.. doomed to lose no matter what God did.. God could have done 2 things at that time..

1) Destroyed the universe and humanity because they have been sabotaged and where no longer good.. God being good cannot allow evil to exist in eternity or else eternity will become contaminated with evil and thus will no longer be perfect..

2) God could have turned a blind eye to the evil and allowed the universe to continue..

I believe if God chose the number 1 option satan would then have turned around to the heavenly host and declared that God had Failed in his great creation and had to destroy it,, thus God cannot be justified as the perfect being and one and only God of all existence because of his creations failure

I believe if God chose option 2 then satan would have turned around to the heavenly host and accused God of being corrupt allowing evil to exist and be done and not judging it and putting an end to it and thus God was again unjustified in being the one and only God of all existence..

But i believe God in his Awesome wisdom and foreknowledge Knew exactly what satan was going to do to His creation and already have the solution to the sabotage.. In creating the universe and humanity and allowing satan to sabotage it He had given satan enough rope to hang himself.. God had the Way of salvation where the evil of men could be justly forgiven and the penalty of their evil could be paid in full by God himself suffering the death that was due upon all humanity.. So God already had a plan to Redeem His creation from the disastrous effects of what satan did to it..

So in the end God is praised and glorified by His wisdom and truth and satan is exposed as an evil transgressor who shall be cast into the eternal lake of fire along with all his rebel angels and all those people who have been allied with satan..
 

NOV25

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If you learn nothing else from this site @Joe learn this. Man is not the center of the universe, he is the means to the end. To what end?
To honor Jesus.

God, the perfect Father desiring to show his love for the perfect Son created the heavens and the earth, he created man in his image and promised from these would come a redeemed people who would love and serve for all eternity.

If you are of the redeemed you are a gift from the Father to the Son. You have been set apart to be refined, shaped and molded to mirror the perfection of the Son for eternity...

All for Jesus.
 
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Why did God create? Paul says; “To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,” Ephesians 3:10 (KJV 1900)

“And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:” Ephesians 3:9 (KJV 1900)

In context: “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,” Ephesians 3:9–10 (KJV 1900)
 

Joe

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This is the great answer I am looking for:

Because the greatest desire, need and want of LOVE is NOT habitats and things but........

....to love and to be loved.
So, love is the source of all kind of lives in the universe and love is the eternal motivation of creations.
And so, to be a real and valuable human being is to love and to be loved. And that makes everything meaningful.

The very good thing is that we are equipped with the "capacity" to love and we are able to be free to choose love as you stated below:

[/QUOTE]He creates us in His image and gives us the “capacity” to love and gives us free will because love without a choice is manipulation, not love at all - just a bunch of robots.[/QUOTE]

And I feel love is so great that it is the eternal meaning of life, the existence of cosmos, the forever meaning of life and the future of our human beings.

And so I love you all and than you for your answers.:love:
 
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This is the great answer I am looking for:



So, love is the source of all kind of lives in the universe and love is the eternal motivation of creations.
And so, to be a real and valuable human being is to love and to be loved. And that makes everything meaningful.

The very good thing is that we are equipped with the "capacity" to love and we are able to be free to choose love as you stated below:
He creates us in His image and gives us the “capacity” to love and gives us free will because love without a choice is manipulation, not love at all - just a bunch of robots.[/QUOTE]

And I feel love is so great that it is the eternal meaning of life, the existence of cosmos, the forever meaning of life and the future of our human beings.

And so I love you all and than you for your answers.:love:[/QUOTE]
Perfect Love exists in the eternal Trinity. God needs no sinful love from the creature. Why did God create?

https://christianchat.com/threads/w...ings-and-why-he-create-us.191135/post-4202320
 

miknik5

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Great question, Joe!

Just pretend for a moment and try to see EVERYTHING through God’s eyes....

As God, You can create any and every habitat - thus, we have all the various galaxies, solar systems, universes, and all the unseen realm of principalities, spiritual beings, demons, angels, et al.

Any and everything you desire - just speak and it is so.....yet, after having everything you desire, why are you not satisfied?

Because the greatest desire, need and want of LOVE is NOT habitats and things but........

....to love and to be loved.

Here’s God’s dilemma.... love cannot be created.

He can create everything except love - the one and only thing that God truly wants.

So, He creates us in His image and gives us the “capacity” to love and gives us free will because love without a choice is manipulation, not love at all - just a bunch of robots.

So, what role does “free will” and “predestination” play in this scenario....:unsure:

God offers us two paths - Life and Death. With our free will we get to choose the path, however, the paths are predestined- one ends in Life the other in Death.

God tells us to choose Life but, He leaves the decision up to us.

So those in Heaven will truly love God because they chose to - God will finally have what He has always wanted......to love and be loved by us.

But, we need to choose Life.....:love:(y)
GOD also pointed us to the ONE AND ONLY PATH that brings us back to LIFE (from death) and repairs the WAY to THE FATHER...
GOD, in HIS UNFATHOMABLE GRACE went and gave us THE WAY to LIFE...
That WAY is CHRIST JESUS...and the ONLY WAY
 

miknik5

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Romans 5:8 clearly shows that GOD, in HIS LOVE, demonstrated HIS LOVE, by sending us HIS SON.
To do for us, what we can not do for ourselves.
 

miknik5

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John 14::6

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Those are THE WORDS of TRUTH...
Do we believe this to be THE WORDS of TRUTH?
 

miknik5

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Why did God create? Paul says; “To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,” Ephesians 3:10 (KJV 1900)

“And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:” Ephesians 3:9 (KJV 1900)

In context: “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,” Ephesians 3:9–10 (KJV 1900)
Those scriptures were written to a believing BODY in CHRIST JESUS...Not all have been reconciled to GOD in by and through CHRIST JESUS.

One would have to first come to THE FATHER, by way of JESUS CHRIST...
 

miknik5

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If you learn nothing else from this site @Joe learn this. Man is not the center of the universe, he is the means to the end. To what end?
To honor Jesus.

God, the perfect Father desiring to show his love for the perfect Son created the heavens and the earth, he created man in his image and promised from these would come a redeemed people who would love and serve for all eternity.

If you are of the redeemed you are a gift from the Father to the Son. You have been set apart to be refined, shaped and molded to mirror the perfection of the Son for eternity...

All for Jesus.
All for JESUS...HIS GLORY and the UNFATHOMABLE WISDOM and GIFT of GOD made known to man...in HIS SON...
 
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Those scriptures were written to a believing BODY in CHRIST JESUS...Not all have been reconciled to GOD in by and through CHRIST JESUS.

One would have to first come to THE FATHER, by way of JESUS CHRIST...
The Church is the means for demonstrating God's wisdom to the angelic realm.
 
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Romans 5:8 clearly shows that GOD, in HIS LOVE, demonstrated HIS LOVE, by sending us HIS SON.
To do for us, what we can not do for ourselves.
And this is part of using the Church to demonstrate his attributes to the angels.
 

miknik5

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Because HIS demonstration wasn´t to HIS angels, but to the ¨prince of the air¨

Please read Ephesians 3 clearly

You used Ephesians 3 when I was referring to Romans 5
 
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Are you referring to the principalities as the angelic realm?
“And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,” Ephesians 3:9–10 (KJV 1900)