The Holy Spirit in Acts according to Acts

Do NOT go beyond what is written...
Is a directive.
Anyone who does, is as 2 John 1 has described

GODś VOICE/SPIRIT does not contradict HIS (written) WORD...and HIS (written) WORD does not contradict HIS VOICE/SPIRIT

No I don think the SPIRITwill move to go beyond what GOD has given us.
If that were to happen, then it is clearly progressing above the HEAD...

It is why those born of HIS SPIRIT, are able to discern what is TRUTH from what is lies, or half truths or suggestions or opinions or thoughts or ideas or yeast....

If you consider it yeast, then you should consider your own statement that the Corinthians were boasting about their gifts to be yeast unless you can provide scripture to support your claim.

If you are saying that your interpretation of I Corinthians 13 is absurd, I am inclined to believe in your. The passage is not about the perfect Bible. It is about the coming of the perfect which replaces that which is 'in part.' 'Telios' has to do with being complete, mature. 'Perfect' is KJV language for the concept. We shouldn't read the modern understanding of the English word 'perfect' into the passage


9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

I am not saying that God would ever make us omniscient, but if he did, that would not make us God. God is also all powerful. And He is God, and we are not.

The I Corinthians 13 talks about knowledge, not a book containing knowledge. The complete understanding will make the understanding Paul had when writing books like I Corinthians seem like a child's in comparison.

So would you add not going to a Pentecostal church to the Biblical requirements for salvation?

This post of yours completely undermines your position on 1 Corinthians 13. Here are the relevant verses:

8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

If, as you claim, "of course we know in part" and "are never able to know ... in this body", then you are rejecting both verse 10 and verse 12. Your "perfect", the completed Bible, has come, so what is in part must have disappeared according to verse 10. Further, now that it has come, the "then" of verse 12 is present for us, not future, and we "know fully".

As your position contradicts the plain text of the Scripture, it cannot be correct. Either we can and do know "fully" because we have the completed canon, or the "completeness" to which verse 10 refers is not the completed canon. There are no other options. "I shall know fully" cannot mean merely that we have "all we need to minister to the Lord and be witnesses to the lost"; the latter part of verse 12 precludes that. God doesn't know us just "sufficiently".

You are dedicated to not receiving what the scripture teaches. You are quite confident that you need not understand the passages at hand.

The Bible is very clear that God can give prophecies and revelation that are not recorded in the Bible. What the seven thunders said were not written down. Jesus revealed the Father, yet John supposed if all He did were written down, the world could not contain the books.

We do not know what Samuel the prophet prophesied between that one prophecy about Eli and when he was an old man, though his words never fell to the ground. We do not know about the other lost items Samuel might have prophesied about, but Saul's servant knew he could go to him about lost donkeys. We do not know what the prophets from Shiloh who met Saul prophesied, what Saul prophesied, what Micaiah prophesied to Ahab that he didn't like before the one prophetic utterance from him that we read. We do not know what the other prophets who came to Antioch with Agabus prophesied about, and nor do we have his exact words about the famine. Judas and Silas were prophets, but we do not know what they prophesied. We do not know what the prophets in Corinth prophesied. We know prophecy could be about the secrets of an unbeliever or unlearned person's heart, but not all those are written in scripture.

Would I be correct in assuming you disagree with notuptome/Roger's idea that the gifts of prophecy and knowledge have ceased?


Don't be hard on yourself because those who are born of the Spirit can grow in their understanding. If all who were Christ's instantly had perfect knowledge, much of the scriptures would not need to have been written.

1 Corinthians 4 for you to review...

The spiritual unseen gift has not ceased .What has is the infallible record . We have the perfect. (face to face ).Why go above that which is written as some sort of self edifying doctrine of men that fall backward in order to mock God with their stammering lips as oral traditions of sinners?

If we do not know what they prophesied how would that affect that in which he did prophecy?(unknown potential opportunity ?

Would these missing prophecies make a difference? Is there a law missing by which we could know our Father in heaven more intimately?

Clearly a contrast of the OT and the to be completed NT

Again simply a contrast of OT and NT revelation.

So would you add not going to a Pentecostal church to the Biblical requirements for salvation?

@presidente

1 Corinthians 4

In response to my supposed opinion that they were boasting about their gifts:

Please review, and specifically what I have highlighted, bolded and enlarged:


Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God. 2Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful. 3But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. 4For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. 5Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

6And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

7For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

8Now ye are full, now ye are rich, ye have reigned as kings without us: and I would to God ye did reign, that we also might reign with you. 9For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men. 10We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised. 11Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace; 12And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it: 13Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.

Paul Warns his Spiritual Children

14I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you. 15For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. 16Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me. 17For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church. 18Now some are puffed up, as though I would not come to you. 19But I will come to you shortly, if the Lord will, and will know, not the speech of them which are puffed up, but the power. 20For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power. 21What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?

The spiritual unseen gift has not ceased .What has is the infallible record . We have the perfect. (face to face ).Why go above that which is written as some sort of self edifying doctrine of men that fall backward in order to mock God with their stammering lips as oral traditions of sinners?

If we do not know what they prophesied how would that affect that in which he did prophecy?(unknown potential opportunity ?

Would these missing prophecies make a difference? Is there a law missing by which we could know our Father in heaven more intimately?

Very clearly your eisegeting to make things fit together in a way that feels comfortable for you, even if it doesn't fit the passage and you do not have authority for your assumptions.

No, this is a reference to Paul's understanding before the perfect came. He wrote that chapter before the perfect came.

It was a relevant question in response to your comment, and one you dodged.

I am referring to the claim that the Corinthians were boasting about spiritual gifts, not boasting in general.

I have taught that there are two words used in the original manuscripts to represent what the translators translated to be baptize. One in used primarily for Holy Spirit baptism because it indicates an immersion with no subsequent withdraw. This would be for Holy Spirit baptism or as you note immersion in doctrine.

The second word refers to dipping and not submerging like a sunken ship. This word is commonly associated with water baptism. When believers refer to Holy Spirit baptism they ought to know that it is a one time immersion without ever returning to the prior state. That being the fact there can only be one true baptism of the Holy Spirit. The other word where many confuse baptism is really filling in the original manuscripts. I attribute this to simple lazy exegesis of the word of God.

Filling and baptism are not the same. There is one baptism and many fillings if we allow the Lord to use us to minister in His name. Our one baptism is unto eternal life. The many fillings are for service and sanctification.

My fear is that there are many more tares than wheat in what is supposed to be the church. My hope is that they are the seed that fell in among the thorns and simply are not able to grow to maturity.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Yes! So glad you asked, the Father desires us to worship Him in Spirit and Truth.

John 4:23-24 New International Version (NIV)
23 Yet a time is coming and has now come(A) when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit(B) and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit,(C) and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

After Salvation, be baptized and filled with the Holy Spirit so we can worship the Father in Spirit and Truth intimately!

God doesn't want us just reading His WRITTEN love letters to us in His Word He wants us EXPERIENCING His Love for us - connecting with God - even Yeshua/Jesus said His Words are Spirit and are Life - encounter God - connect your spirit with His Spirit - It's wonderful!!

Don´t you mean the Holy Spirit continues to fill the believer. You are only baptized once into Christ Jesus...

That was basically what I was trying to explain without knowledge of the Greek.

I think your explanation was better.

Growing up into the HEAD...is sufficient, for when we do, we come to the revelation that what we had from the beginning, was sufficient...
And that is a mature and steadfast faith directed in and on CHRIST