Not By Works

Abraham believed God and it was put to his account for righteousness....

THE BIGGEST, MOST FATAL error that leads to hell in this age is CONFLATING the truth that FAITH alone has ALWAYS saved the believer with the CONDITIONAL COVENANT of BLESSING IN THE LAND which was based UPON OBEDIENCE.......

Abraham was declared righteous before he was circumcised, therefore can be used as a type of NT believer. But we are not identical especially in what was believed to become righteous.

Agree, in this age, faith alone saves, no more of works.

It has never been about works..........EVER, not in ANY age or time frame..........

I am the LORD thy GOD, I CHANGE NOT........the covenant of FAITH has been the same from the beginning when it comes to the salvation of the soul!

That's exactly what the osas church does.
They say, "I am safe because I'm the temple of the Lord, I'm the temple of the Lord".

Now reread that passage with that in mind. They trust in deceptive words if they think being the temple of the Lord makes them safe--safe to hate and murder in the name of correctness of doctrine.

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I hope you don't me saying but you are being aggressive and personal which you normally haven't been. That's unusual for you.

Yes you attack doctrine but not people. Seems you are now attacking both.

@mailmandan is one of the most patient people on here. He does not attack people yet you attack him.

You people do not know the depth of wickedness that you dwell in. And your osas doctrine keeps you from seeing it.

You're making my point exactly. And you don't even realize it.

What business is it of your's of where and when I'm on the internet?

I don't think you know what faith in God really means. You do not show that you do. You are stuck in the false security of (so-called) knowledge, not in the life of Christ. You have yet to 'see' Christ.

I was also shocked by his aggressive, personal attack on me and others in the OSAS camp, which is unusual for him. When I originally asked what happened to "Dennis the Menace," I had a feeling he was lurking on Christian Chat and that my post would flush him out and I was absolutely right!

Abraham believed God and it was put to his account for righteousness....

THE BIGGEST, MOST FATAL error that leads to hell in this age is CONFLATING the truth that FAITH alone has ALWAYS saved the believer with the CONDITIONAL COVENANT of BLESSING IN THE LAND which was based UPON OBEDIENCE.......

No, that's not what happened. I've been out of the forum and was just checking in to see what's going on I saw your backbiting remarks and I thought, 'these babies need to grow up'.

Your behavior shows you are either a baby in Christ or not saved at all. Since you think it above my pay grade to decide, then you tell me--which is it?

Are you just immature in Christ, or not saved at all?

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See, you're all about correctness of doctrine, not actually living for Christ. You think your so-called knowledge means you're safe in Christ. Not even remotely true. The church is big on doctrine, as if that's what it means to 'believe', and they're not so big on actually living out the faith. It's a disgrace.

Are you just immature in Christ, or not saved at all?

No, that's not what happened. I've been out of the forum and was just checking in to see what's going on I saw your backbiting remarks and I thought, 'these babies need to grow up'.

Your behavior shows you are either a baby in Christ or not saved at all. Since you think it above my pay grade to decide, then you tell me--which is it? Are you just immature in Christ, or not saved at all? Until you get to the 4th type of soil, you can't begin to think that you might be always saved. Only mature people in Christ have any boast of not falling back to the world in unbelief. You're not there yet. Your behavior shows that.

See, you're all about correctness of doctrine, not actually living for Christ. You think your so-called knowledge means you're safe in Christ. Not even remotely true. The church is big on doctrine, as if that's what it means to 'believe', and they're not so big on actually living out the faith. It's a disgrace.

You continue to speak condescending and hate speech without posting one scripture. That speaks volumes to the rest of us.

You have done to grace what the Pharisees of old did to the law.

Your resistance to my Biblical message speaks volumes of you.

The majority of this thread is filled with those who quickly rain down proud judgment on anyone who would even quote a scripture that tells us to not sin. Followed by false accusations. And the twisting of scripture here is appalling.

I apologize if my post seemed directed at you or implied anything beyond what was written. I mean, is this what Christianity is? To proclaim that we all still sin regardless of the countless scriptures that exhort us not to sin?

this was my error too. i think its the same thing in new covenant people mix justification with sanctification.

and they just love to condemn others to hell so much. so they say "i dont know about that hey i dont know. can you be doing that and be saved? not saved not saved not saved" they just love it. other people's sins are always different than your own. its the elitism attitude and pride.

Oh, please!

You believe a false doctrine like most everyone else here does. I don’t expect you to even attempt to extend even the smallest hint of the love of Christ. You guys and gals are soo stuck on imputation of righteousness that you don’t even have a clue of how to even DEMONSTRATE it!

Is this what it’s reduced to?

Even if I did, what does that got to do with all the “sin not” scriptures?

Does your ability to believe a biblical doctrine depend on wether someone else can accomplish it?

I wonder what volume this speaks of you, since you obviously are far more sanctified than the rest of us?