If we are going to keep the SABBATH the 7th day, in HEAVEN, Why are not people keeping it now ???

it is not the Fire Or the Person That is eternal, Just like in JUDE 1:7 Sodom and Gomorrha was burnt with eternal fire, But it not burning to day, It's not the people or the fire that will Be eternal, BUT the Circumstances Of the fire that will be eternal, They will be brought To ashes upon the Ground, And be ashes for ever.
IASIAH 47:14 Behold they shall be as stubble the fire shall burn them; They shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: There shall not be a coal to warm at nor fire to set before it.
MALACHI 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up is caves of the stall. 3. And ye shall trade down the wicked; for they shall be Ashes under the souls of your feet and the day that I shall do this, sayeth the Lord of hosts.
GOD bless as HE see fit

This Rest that this is talking about, IS THE SABBATH REST< GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENETH DAY, AND HE's TELLING TO REST LIKE HE DID ON THE SEVENETH ALSO.
GOD BLESS AS HE SEES FIT

I think what you are trying to say is that the results of the punishment are eternal, but the punishment itself is not eternal.

That is the same stuff I learned as a cultist. I was an annihilationist too.

The issue is that the OT description of the punishment of unbelievers is only a type, and the reality is more fully explained in the NT. Physical destruction is not the reality; the reality is spiritual ruin.

That is why Revelation says that those who are evil will be outside the city. They will still exist, like Adam and Eve still existed outside the Garden of Eden when they were thrown out.

There is a type between the Garden of Eden, the Israelite camp, Jerusalem, and the New Heavens and New Earth. To be outside of these zones, which are representative of the blessing-presence of God, is to be dead spiritually. Adam and Eve were thrown out, Israelites who were ceremonially defiled (like lepers) were thrown out, and the wicked will be thrown out in the New Heavens and New Earth. They will still exist physically, but they are spiritually ruined and destroyed.

Additionally, annihilationists read words like "death", "destruction", and "perish" in a limited physical manner because they don't realize there is a spiritual death, spiritual destruction, and spiritual perishing which does not mean the person ceases to exist, but he exists outside of the blessing-presence of God.

They interpret these words in only a limited sense, and this is partly due to their false views regarding man's nature. SDAs don't even believe man has a spiritual component, and exists spiritually in a conscious state outside of the body. Their view of man's nature is compromised. That is part of why they believe in "soul sleep" and annihilationism.

I don't know why I bother to explain this, though, because the words will simply bounce off your SDA noggin. Maybe someone will benefit though.

this is very beneficial . very informative. I have interacted with many s.d.a.'s on here over the years, I know a lot of their beliefs, but I am learning a lot from you.

No. The sabbath was a shadow of this rest that we receive in Christ.

Colossians 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


How could we be "Dead to the law" and "No longer under a schoolmaster" if we are still working at the 4th commandment????? We couldn't.

But if we have received Rest from Christ then we can be dead to the law and no longer under a schoolmaster. Since it was merely a shadow of what we have received.

If we are going to keep the SABBATH the 7th day, in HEAVEN, Why are not people keeping it now ???

Has anyone actually answered this question?

* gentiles are and never were under the Law and never commanded to keep it.

there is your answer.

The answer is that we are not going to be keeping the Sabbath in heaven.

Prove that we are.

In fact Revelation 21-22 teaches that there won't be any night, so how can the Sabbath be kept in heaven?

Days are marked off by periods of darkness and light.

I don't think you've read all the thread if you don't think answers have been provided.

What you say here is false doctine, same as your thread title

"If we are going to keep the SABBATH the 7th day, in HEAVEN, Why are not people keeping it now ???"

Rev 21:5 - And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

this scripture verse corresponds with:

2 Corinthians 5:17 - Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!

The promise of the next creation day has come through Christ. We will be keeping to the 8th day in Heaven.

Now if you pedal false doctrine and then further say to others that their salvation is continent upon following this fa
It is bad enough that you are pushing forth a false doctrine. But then you declare to us that our salvation is lost if we do not follow your false doctrine - this is even worse.

Because what you are saying is that we are not to follow the one true Christ, we are to follow you for our salvation.

Colossians 2:16:
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

PROVERBS 24 [19] Fret not thyself because of evil men, neither be thou envious at the wicked;[20] For there shall be no reward to the evil man; THE CANDLE OF THE WICKED SHALL BE PUT OUT.[21] My son, fear thou the LORD and the king: and MEDDLE NOT WITH THEM THAT ARE GIVEN TO CHANGE:[22] For their calamity shall rise suddenly; and who knoweth the ruin of them both?

PSALM 89 [30] IF HIS CHILDREN FORSAKE MY LAW, and walk not in my judgments; [31] If they break my statutes, AND KEEP NOT MY COMMANDMENTS; [32] Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. [33] Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail. [34] MY COVENANT WILL I NOT BREAK, NOR ALTER the thing that is gone out of my lips.

The "many" believe that Gods 4th commandment has been altered

ECCLES. 3 [14] I know that, WHATSOEVER GOD DOETH, IT SHALL BE FOR EVER: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. [15] That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

MALACHI 3 [2] BUT WHO MAY ABIDE THE DAY OF HIS COMING? AND WHO SHALL STAND WHEN HE APPEARETH? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:[3] And he shall sit as a refiner and purifer of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.[4] Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years.[5] And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.[6] FOR I AM THE LORD, I CHANGE NOT;

HEBREWS 13 [8] Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

So why do many believe that their god is a wishy washy God. Changing continually.

Old testament – keep the sabbath
New testament – dont bother
1000 yr rest (in the Kingdom) – Gotta keep the sabbath again (scripture below)

ISAIAH 66 [22] For as the NEW HEAVENS AND THE NEW EARTH, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. [23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER, shall ALL FLESH COME TO WORSHIP BEFORE ME, saith the Lord.

So has the sabbath been changed or altered? Many make that claim. But i gotta believe that Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever

I don't want NO one following me, I have given BIBLE verses that SHOW what I have said, The BIBLE as a whole is what I believe And stand ON, I give BIBLE for what I say, And if you DON'T believe that then you want BE STANDING BEFORE ME IN JUDGEMENT, I'LL tell you and all that has seen what I have said, on here, If it BIBLE ye be best to believe IT, If it's something I have said, without the BIBLE backing me up throw it in the TRASH, But I do believe that all I have said on here the BIBLE backs up, GOD bless as HE sees FIT for you.

Just a little somethin extra to show how great the WORD is! There are only 2 places in the KJV where the words “moreover also” can be found

EZEK.20 [12] MOREOVER ALSO I gave them MY SABBATHS, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them

ACTS 2 [26] Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; MOREOVER ALSO MY FLESH SHALL REST in hope:

If you will notice in ACTS 2 the WORD says “my flesh shall rest in hope”. Just as GODS 4th commandment tells us to do. Aint that somethin!

GOD has a lot of Sabbath keepers, BUT the BIBLE dose say that Satan will deceive the whole World, The Seventh day Adventist GOT the keeping of the Sabbath FROM the Baptist, And the Church Of GOD also was Sabbath keepers, But like most of the Baptist, Satan has got Most of them to give up the Sabbath to. The BIBLE even tells us in Daniel 7:25 that He would seek to Change times And Laws, What other law of GOD's has anything to do with time, ONLY ONE AND THAT IS THE Sabbath, But GOD says that it will be very dark in the last days. I enjoy the Sabbath day that GOD has given me and a lot of others do to, We Glorify GOD's AS the GOD of Creation BY recognizing And keeping HIS HOLY Sabbath that HE blessed and sanctified in creation. And there was no JEWS when HE blessed And sanctified the Sabbath, GOD bless as HE sees fit

He also said REMEMBER the SABBATH, Which means that the SABBATH already Existed BEFORE Moses, But Satan has got most of the WORLD And the Church's, to forget it today, Even when GOD says to REMEMBER !!!!!!! GOD bless as HE sees fit

YOU have NOT even STUDY Enough to know the Difference, between The feast Sabbath and GODs Commandment SABBATH, And there's a lot of Difference in the TWO, GOD bless as HE sees fit

He is talking about when you start living for CHRIST,. THAT you put away the SINFULL MAN, AND start living A CHRISTIAN life, Which means that you put the sins away, AND start OBEYING the WORD of GOD, WHICH makes us a new MAN OR WOMAN. GOD BNLESS AS HE SEES FIT

Everyday is the Sabbath, Christ is our Sabbath we have rest in him. While you're at it don't ever eat cheeseburgers, and the thousands of other OT laws, or get rid of Jesus completely and go back to the old testament system of sacrifice and sin offerings..... see how silly the Sabbath issue becomes in this context, but it's fine just research more, as majority of us go through these things in the beginning until our wisdom in the bible grows.

I myself researched this same very thing almost a decade ago like what about the sabbath!! and the illuminati and the catholic church making us worship on Sunday!!!

You have a very superficial understanding of Scripture, like most Sabbathkeepers.

For one thing, you don't understand the difference between covenant theology and dispensationalism.

And, I notice AGAIN that you Sabbathkeepers are quoting Isaiah 66 to prove the Sabbath, but my guess is that you do NOT observe New Moons. Your inconsistency is apparent. If you use verses in the OT prophets to prove the Sabbath during a Millennial kingdom, then you must also accept the same practices that are mentioned in the context of the rest of the chapter.

Just like me as a Judaizer Sabbathkeeper, you are blind as a bat when it comes to applying consistent hermeneutics.

If you really read whole books, you would see that the Prophets forecast a return to faithful observance of the Mosaic Covenant.

There's two ways of viewing this. The dispensationalist will view the Millennium as a new dispensation with different rules, which include a return to Sabbathkeeping, New Moons, festivals, animal sacrifices and a Levitical priesthood.

The covenant theologian will view these references as using Mosaic Covenant language to describe New Covenant phenomena, and interpret it as a return to faithful adherence to the Mosaic Law. However, since Christ died as a final sacrifice, there cannot be further animal sacrifices, as that would be blasphemous (sorry, dispensationalists, but I don't agree with your new dispensation view).

Anyways, I want folks to notice how inconsistent Judaizers are in terms of their hermeneutics. That's their basic problem. They are taught using the proof texting method that ignores context. Some of them even ignore the wording of the SAME VERSE they use to prove Sabbathkeeping.

And, you can point out the inconsistencies yet they will continue to ignore them.

Regarding Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, forever..this is their mantra too. The problem is that it is obvious God ordained animal sacrifices to point toward Christ typologically, and withdrew these practices after the reality came. Therefore, if the claim is that God always works with man the same exact way, the claim is disproven by the cessation of animal sacrifices and the Levitical priesthood.

You really CANNOT reason with these guys though. They have been taught by some cultic leaders or an assortment of them, and they are unable to understand the principles of biblical interpretation (hermeneutics). They do not read whole books carefully with an eye to detail, and they do not attempt to understand content and how all Scripture fits together. Instead, it's like they are blinded, like 2 Cor 3-4 says.

Days and diet. Days and diet. Days and diet. Days and diet.

That's what they are all about.

Thank God I was released from their cultic mindset

Me? You need to eat some meat. I suggest rib eye

1 COR. 3 [1] And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. [2] I HAVE FED YOU WITH MILK, AND NOT WITH MEAT: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. [3] For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

HEBREWS 5 [12] For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. [13] FOR EVERY ONE THAT USETH MILK IS UNSKILFUL IN THE WORD OF RIGHTEOUSNESS: FOR HE IS A BABE. [14] But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

The two above new testament scriptures tell us we should be teachers of the word but also tells us everyone that uses milk is unskilful in the word.

ISAIAH 28 [9] WHOM SHALL HE TEACH KNOWLEDGE? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? THEM THAT ARE WEANED FROM THE MILK, and drawn from the breasts.[10] For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:[11] For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.[12] To whom he said, THIS IS THE REST wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and THIS IS THE REFRESHING: yet they would not hear.

In Hebrews 5 the scripture tells us we should be teachers of the Word but we dont get it, we are still just babes, milk drinkers. In Isaiah we see that those whom God will teach knowledge and whom he shall make to understand doctrine are those who are weaned from the milk. Who are these milk drinkers (verse 12) that dont understand doctrine? To whom he said this is the rest and the refreshing, but they refused to hear. Rest? Refreshing?

EXODUS 31 [15] Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.[16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.[17] It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and ON THE SEVENTH DAY HE RESTED, AND WAS REFRESHED.

Heres a scripture that speaks of a rest and a refreshing. And yes, the milk drinkers do refuse to hear that scripture.

GOT MILK?