Can one be a Christian at birth ?
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well I'm not Lutheran...and had no say in the sprinkling haha
I've read where people in countries lacking water might sprinkle and if a lack of water is so, I do not think their observance wold be unacceptable as God looks on our hearts...but that is how I think about it...can't back it up with scripture other than God does not judge by what looks right with all our noses in the air but judges motives and the whole person...the heart of it all
in the church I actually did grow up in, (not Lutheran) they did not press baptism but indicated that those who had the desire and wanted to be baptized in public as a profession of their belief in Christ...if you wanted to live for Him and not just say you were saved, then you could ask to be baptized...of course your life had to show your faith as well if I remember right
there did seem to be an urgency about it in scripture though and thinking about it, right now, I wonder why that was
I don't think I have a problem with a child professing faith in Christ being baptized...but again, they would have to understand why that is
I've read where people in countries lacking water might sprinkle and if a lack of water is so, I do not think their observance wold be unacceptable as God looks on our hearts...but that is how I think about it...can't back it up with scripture other than God does not judge by what looks right with all our noses in the air but judges motives and the whole person...the heart of it all
in the church I actually did grow up in, (not Lutheran) they did not press baptism but indicated that those who had the desire and wanted to be baptized in public as a profession of their belief in Christ...if you wanted to live for Him and not just say you were saved, then you could ask to be baptized...of course your life had to show your faith as well if I remember right
there did seem to be an urgency about it in scripture though and thinking about it, right now, I wonder why that was
I don't think I have a problem with a child professing faith in Christ being baptized...but again, they would have to understand why that is
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I did not see something so shocking as to go
besides, I've kinda gotten away from the x's...last time I used one...in the manner for which they are meant to be used and not just cause you don't like a person (oh my that never happens around here. halo slippage) I got one back for my next post which was nothing but a quote from another source in which I cited the site. the stupidity of it hit me and I thought no point if is interpreted as a nah nah nah nah nah
LOL!...but thanks!
I know how far I have come in what I believe now compared to where I was once upon a time and I fully expect to continue to change a few brain cells now and then
with some things I will remain adamant because they are heresy but that's another thread
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Greetings, Mr. Lon! 😃
I am so glad that you have found Christian Chat and are asking questions about Jesus, the Savior of the world!!!
I would like to encourage you to read the book of
1 John in the back of the Bible. I find that it is short and highly insightful. There are two verses from this book that I would like to leave here for your consideration, Sir. 🙂
"Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also."
1 John 2:23
"Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God."
1 John 4:15
Forgive me if I am in error, but it seems as if you are hesitant to state belief in Christ publicly. May I ask why? Of course, I know the prospect of it can be intimidating. I know all too well how fear can get in the way. But if this is holding you back, Sir, God can help you to confess Him. 🙂 Truly. Father God wants His children to depend upon Him for their needs- especially when He is asking them to do something and they think they can't do it. He is so good to show Himself powerful through His beloved children.
God loves you, Mr. Lon. He died for you. He wants you to glorify Him on this earth and then go to live with Him forever in heaven. ❤️ I am praying for you!
Respectfully,
EliBeth
P.S. I think your idea about posting the nice pictures of your food is a good one. 🍛🍝🥪
"If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Romans 10:9
I am so glad that you have found Christian Chat and are asking questions about Jesus, the Savior of the world!!!
I would like to encourage you to read the book of
1 John in the back of the Bible. I find that it is short and highly insightful. There are two verses from this book that I would like to leave here for your consideration, Sir. 🙂
"Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also."
1 John 2:23
"Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God."
1 John 4:15
Forgive me if I am in error, but it seems as if you are hesitant to state belief in Christ publicly. May I ask why? Of course, I know the prospect of it can be intimidating. I know all too well how fear can get in the way. But if this is holding you back, Sir, God can help you to confess Him. 🙂 Truly. Father God wants His children to depend upon Him for their needs- especially when He is asking them to do something and they think they can't do it. He is so good to show Himself powerful through His beloved children.
God loves you, Mr. Lon. He died for you. He wants you to glorify Him on this earth and then go to live with Him forever in heaven. ❤️ I am praying for you!
Respectfully,
EliBeth
P.S. I think your idea about posting the nice pictures of your food is a good one. 🍛🍝🥪
"If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Romans 10:9
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I love how dogmatic many of y'all are, someone posts scripture and y'all drop the red X's and the thumbs down. Christians that hate scripture so much that they can't even put words to their disdain. That will teach us to use scripture against y'all's predisposition.
I wish I could see their faces at that moment. It must look like the anguished torment of hell, for one moment.
I wish I could see their faces at that moment. It must look like the anguished torment of hell, for one moment.
Don't apologize to any of us Lon! Let me see if I can gather my thoughts..... You seem to be a complicated man, Lon. That's not a bad thing - it's just.. complicated! I think you are pretty intelligent. I think you would probably be considered a success - not only in business or wealth, but also in family and relationships. Most of all, at least in this forum, I think you only ask questions you already know the answer to and you seem to play your cards close to your chest.
However, I also think you're a man, like many men, who evaluates his legacy to some degree. Brought on by feeling the winds at the end of the tunnel or by an erred evaluation of a multitude of mistakes we all make. Either way Lon, you were drawn. Maybe here at these forums to start with, maybe else where, but I believe you were drawn. And I believe you were drawn by the Most High.
The Holy Spirit descended on Jesus Christ like a dove while he was baptized in the Jordan and in similar fashion this same spirit descends upon us, sometimes like a dove and sometimes like an anvil. And on that day when the Almight knocks, you can rest assured that your intelligence and your success and even your relationships are out the window. It's you who is summoned. It's the day you begin to understand from the heart.
None of us here can adequately explain that Holy Voice, but it is the beginning of new life and where the old dies away (more information that only true wisdom can explain). It is the engagement of faith in the deity of Christ and acceptance that He shed His blood for your salvation (more information that is explained to you in the flash of the Holy Eye).
In short, none of us can know you completely. We can't count the hairs on your head. We can't even explain our being "drawn' to our God. We only know it happens and that we go there alone.
However, I also think you're a man, like many men, who evaluates his legacy to some degree. Brought on by feeling the winds at the end of the tunnel or by an erred evaluation of a multitude of mistakes we all make. Either way Lon, you were drawn. Maybe here at these forums to start with, maybe else where, but I believe you were drawn. And I believe you were drawn by the Most High.
The Holy Spirit descended on Jesus Christ like a dove while he was baptized in the Jordan and in similar fashion this same spirit descends upon us, sometimes like a dove and sometimes like an anvil. And on that day when the Almight knocks, you can rest assured that your intelligence and your success and even your relationships are out the window. It's you who is summoned. It's the day you begin to understand from the heart.
None of us here can adequately explain that Holy Voice, but it is the beginning of new life and where the old dies away (more information that only true wisdom can explain). It is the engagement of faith in the deity of Christ and acceptance that He shed His blood for your salvation (more information that is explained to you in the flash of the Holy Eye).
In short, none of us can know you completely. We can't count the hairs on your head. We can't even explain our being "drawn' to our God. We only know it happens and that we go there alone.
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But Lon... what will you do if you have to stand before Almighty God/ Crestor of everything, Him who has the power to cast our souls into eternal Hell... what will you say when He wants to know your response to Him loving you so much that He have His only Son to suffer terribly and die on a cross to pay for your sins... and all He asks is that you trust Him and surrender your heart to Him... I hope you will re-think your standing and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ...
I must tell you, Lon, that 24 years ago, I was seeking after God with all my heart, at every opportunity I could be alone with Him... and one day He spoke to me- with a clearer voice than I ever heard any human speak. My life has never been the same, it never will be. And through the many difficult times in my life, I have looked to Him and He has been and always will be my anchor in this stormy sea called life. And one day when I am with Him forever, it will all make sense, and all have been worth it.
I do hope I am helping you with the most important decision there is and ever will be, for no-one knows how much time we have.🙂
I must tell you, Lon, that 24 years ago, I was seeking after God with all my heart, at every opportunity I could be alone with Him... and one day He spoke to me- with a clearer voice than I ever heard any human speak. My life has never been the same, it never will be. And through the many difficult times in my life, I have looked to Him and He has been and always will be my anchor in this stormy sea called life. And one day when I am with Him forever, it will all make sense, and all have been worth it.
I do hope I am helping you with the most important decision there is and ever will be, for no-one knows how much time we have.🙂
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Well, what I said is what it means to be a Christian. The term is a reference to folks who hold those certain beliefs and values. As stated below:
Believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord.
He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit
and born of the virgin Mary.
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended to the dead.
On the third day he rose again.
He ascended into heaven,
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the communion of the saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.
(Yes I took out the Holy Catholic church, because the confusion that may cause. Some may think I mean the Roman Catholic church, when I mean the church Universal containing all the followers of Christ regardless of denomination.)
Believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord.
He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit
and born of the virgin Mary.
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended to the dead.
On the third day he rose again.
He ascended into heaven,
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the communion of the saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.
(Yes I took out the Holy Catholic church, because the confusion that may cause. Some may think I mean the Roman Catholic church, when I mean the church Universal containing all the followers of Christ regardless of denomination.)
