Elijah to come vs Antichrist

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Locoponydirtman

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The Bible is clear...the Roman beast in Daniel and the Antichrist and the Devil (Rev 12 and 14)all have 10 horns and the Catholic church has killed more Christians in the mame of God than any group in history...
Show evidence.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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I'm not here to argue all the ins and outs of every Catholic practice under the sun.
I was trying to make one factual point to these people. That Catholicism is not the harlot/beast empire. No matter how much they want it to be. It doesn't fit.
Catholics aren't the only ones to baptise babies. Lutherans, Presbyterians, Greek Orthodox, and Eastern Orthodox also baptise babies.

The Pope is definitely an Antichrist.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Hi Kolistus,

After Muhammad died and his successors burst forth out of Arabia, they rapidly conquered the whole Middle East and North Africa. Within ten years the heart of the ancient Christian Church was ripped out. All of the great former missionary-sending capitals were conquered: Ephesus, Antioch, Jerusalem, Alexandria. While a smaller minority of Christians managed to hang on in those cities, they have ever since been a struggling minority among their Muslim neighbours. Now even these are heavily persecuted.

1st Genocide of the 20th Century.
The Armenian Genocide was the Ottoman government's systematic extermination of 1.5 million Armenians, mostly citizens within the Ottoman Empire. The starting date is conventionally held to be 24 April 1915, the day that Ottoman authorities rounded up, arrested, and deported from Constantinople (now Istanbul) to the region of Ankara 235 to 270 Armenian intellectuals and community leaders, the majority of whom were eventually murdered. The genocide was carried out during and after World War I and implemented in two phases—the wholesale killing of the able-bodied male population through massacre and subjection of army conscripts to forced labour, followed by the deportation of women, children, the elderly, and the infirm on death marches leading to the Syrian Desert. Driven forward by military escorts, the deportees were deprived of food and water and subjected to periodic robbery, rape, and massacre. Other ethnic groups were similarly targeted for extermination in the Assyrian genocide and the Greek genocide. Their treatment is considered by some historians to be part of the same genocidal policy. Most Armenian diaspora communities around the world came into being as a direct result of the genocide

The destruction of Smyrna was particularly brutal.

This politico-religious system called Islam is drunk on the blood of the saints both historically and today. And it's most common method of martyring the saints has been beheading. It has a marked demonic lust for the land of Israel.

I think all our watchmen shouldn't be stationed on the Western front. Some of us at least should be watching the Eastern side.
When you are reading the Bible it might be interesting to note that every nation mentioned in prophecy by name for end-time judgement is Islamic today.
 

John146

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You claim you KNOW that millions of Catholics only chant without believing in their hearts that Jesus has saved them?
Why are you declaring this? This is an outright untruth from what I said and you know it. Here is what I said:

“Simply chanting a couple of verses from memory does not make one saved.”

Do you not agree?
 

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The 4 beasts of Daniel are so clear and the ANTICHRIST rises from the 4th beast..a child could see it and Rev 17 and 18 pin point the whore as being on 7 hills...Rome...golden cup...the false mass....it says that God wants Catholics to come out so they do not get the plagues...Daniel was sealed up till the end...no one not even Paul knew Daniel then...it was hidden till now...its like thinking Mormons and all their lies are saved...its a lie because people don't want to go save them...but I go into Mormon and Had and Catholic churches to reach people and Mormons will say you don't have to be born again...i have listened to them say it and Jesus and Satan are brothers...all nonsense

Galatians 1 8-9 says you preach any other gospel you are under a curse...even an angel comes down don't believe them...no Morni angel is going to fool a strong Christian...John MacArthur is good at calling false teachers on the carpet...

Just a thought, not a claim. Istanbul is known as the City on the Seven Hills. Built on 2 continents & also referred to as guardian of invaluable remains via 3 world empires
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Catholics aren't the only ones to baptise babies. Lutherans, Presbyterians, Greek Orthodox, and Eastern Orthodox also baptise babies.

The Pope is definitely an Antichrist.
But is he the head of the greatest embodiment of satanic false religion that mankind will ever know?

When villages of Chaldean Catholic Christians are decimated because of the name of Jesus, because they are not Muslim, are we to continue to claim that it is the Catholics who are the real threat?
In light of the severe persecution of Christians that is common place around the world it might be wise to recognise that a beast far greater than The Pope and his crew has emerged.
 
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Not Rome, nor Constantinople. Not Mecca, nor New Delhi. Not New York nor the Hague.


Revelation 11

1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Why are you declaring this? This is an outright untruth from what I said and you know it. Here is what I said:

“Simply chanting a couple of verses from memory does not make one saved.”

Do you not agree?
Because that is what you said. You have just repeated it. Simply chanting. How can you state you KNOW they are simply chanting?

This has gone beyond ridiculous. Who is and who is not SAVED is not the issue.
 

John146

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Because that is what you said. You have just repeated it. Simply chanting. How can you state you KNOW they are simply chanting?

This has gone beyond ridiculous. Who is and who is not SAVED is not the issue.
I’ve been to many, many masses. They chant, many looking around, looking down, looking at their phones, watches, etc...

I’m not making this stuff up. I asked my wife who grew up in that false church.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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But is he the head of the greatest embodiment of satanic false religion that mankind will ever know?

When villages of Chaldean Catholic Christians are decimated because of the name of Jesus, because they are not Muslim, are we to continue to claim that it is the Catholics who are the real threat?
In light of the severe persecution of Christians that is common place around the world it might be wise to recognise that a beast far greater than The Pope and his crew has emerged.
Jesus said there will be many antichrists.
 

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Please read Daniel 2 and 7 thru 12
Rev 12 and 13 and 17 and 18

It is obvious that Rome is the 4th beast in Daniel each time

It states Babylon..Media Persia..Greece..Then Rome was next

And the little horn Antichrist comes from the 4th beast Rome

All Study Bibles state this for its obvious

The Rome beast has 10 toes and horns
The Devil in Ch 12. Rev has 10 horns
And the Antichrist beast has 10 horns Rev 13...anyone who just read these chapters would know all this...
 

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And people are still focused on Antichrist when he comes out after the rapture

Elijah to come comes before the great and dreadful day...before the rapture for the trib will come because the world will not listen to him

So if the trib comes right...he is not received well like John the Baptist and Jesus were not...they were both accused of being demon possessed
 
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The creed is not antichrist. It is not opposed to Jesus Christ.

You claim you KNOW that millions of Catholics only chant without believing in their hearts that Jesus has saved them? You know the hearts and thoughts of all those people? And therefore no other model can possibly be considered as the the harlot system. No matter how well it fits the biblical text?


What proof can you possibly offer me that YOU are saved? When you have just nullified the confession of every single Christian who has ever lived.
I just had an aaa haaa moment :) the antichrist is not anti as in opposing Christ, it is anti as in it is somebody saying they are like a type of Christ. That is why there will be lots of antichrists. I actually now understand exactly why you keep referring to the Muslims because you see antichrist as somebody opposing Christ. Antichrist is another false Christ not our Saviour Jesus Christ :)
 
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Locoponydirtman

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And people are still focused on Antichrist when he comes out after the rapture

Elijah to come comes before the great and dreadful day...before the rapture for the trib will come because the world will not listen to him

So if the trib comes right...he is not received well like John the Baptist and Jesus were not...they were both accused of being demon possessed
Jesus said that John the Baptist was the Elijah to come.
 

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Its a double fulfilling...Elijah has to come before the trib it says...so it's possible a man in Elijah spirit again will come to help warn of the coming end and restore all things...it could be Elijah himself...but most think like Elijah...John did not fulfill all if Mal 4 5-6
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Its a double fulfilling...Elijah has to come before the trib it says...so it's possible a man in Elijah spirit again will come to help warn of the coming end and restore all things...it could be Elijah himself...but most think like Elijah...John did not fulfill all if Mal 4 5-6
Jesus said all these things will happen during that generation, but as for his coming again it will be like the days of Noah, in other words no warning. You know like a thief in the night.
I thought my understanding of all these things is bad, but yours is outta here.
 

Timothy5378

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No the double fulfilling is well known...its very clear that he comes before the end and if people don't listen the trib will come...repentance is lost for a false grace that people have been told...holiness is what I long for...google across dif denominations and it's known
 

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top Christians know this...
Ooh!

Can i be a top Christian?

Jesus said John was the Elijah to come *if you will accept it*

So, I see that you don't - can I ask why you don't accept what Christ declared? Is that what all the 'top Christians' do?
 
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In 2 Thes ch 2 if you read it over and over you will see that the Antichrist is not revealed till after the rapture...and Elijah to come in Mal 4:5-6 must come before the rapture and restore all things...which he cannot do during the 7 year tribulation when the world will be blow apart....

top Christians know this....yet the world is looking for the wrong man first...which is not surprising...few are looking for Elijah or a Elijah like man....

and the Whole Bible says the same thing to everyone for its of no private interpretation....if you master all 66 books and 31,102 verses over lots and lots of hours reading and studying and implimenting the whole thing in context you can hold all truth that is promised in the Bible

So given the rapture can not come till One man Elijah gets here....and given Daniel makes it clear where the Antichrist comes from...Rome...and we know the Vatican rules Rome and the golden cup...the commentaries are clear....but maybe in a modern world now all religion is accepted as equal....but for the NT saints we know who the great whore is...The Vatican and Catholic church....

So we will have a John the Baptist like man that must come on the scene and do things...and the church won't be here for knowing who the Antichrist is...for that's after the rapture....the question is...why not learn the whole Bible and not worry so much about this TV world and cyber mess that is about to be destroyed....God bless

A serious student must spend hours and hours daily poring over the Whole Scriptures/Bible deeply from Genesis to Revelation, although it does not necessarily mean that that student understands anything contained therein. The Pharisees do so and yet it appears that they are not able to see Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ.

There are very serious people working 24hrs each day bringing in, now, a Super Antichrist or Messiah/Christ depending on your point of view. It might be that the forerunner has already prepared the way.

The Rebbe and Bibi Netanyahu: Politicians For Redemption
 

Timothy5378

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Jesus said John was one fulfilling...but He said Elijah must come first and restore all things...and it was future tense and John did not restore all things...John did not come before the great and dreadful day....some people just don't see that...if I'm not lying...i have all the apostles gifts...i have seen Jesus and angels before and I have seen demons too...going after them is are calling for we are to fight them...not flesh and blood....im sorry I got you upset...but Jesus upset people...and what He did was hidden...but what I'm saying. Others know who love God