Elijah to come vs Antichrist

[Lucy-Pevensie]

And Jesus will tell them "turn away from me for I knew you not". To proclaim Jesus is not all you have to do to be saved. You need to turn away from manmade doctrines and they are not willing to do it. It might be that some of them get to know Christ and go to heaven because like you say we should not judge, but we can discern.

There are Catholics that turn away from their doctrine and they will be saved

God bless

BUT THEY ARE NOT ANTICHRIST

This was my ONLY point.

 

[Timothy5378]

EVERY POPE IS AN ANTICHRIST...WAITING FOR THE FINAL PAPAL ANTICHRIST AT THE END

MARY...I MEAN LUCY...WHY WOULD SUCH THINGS AS NO CATHOLIC MATERIAL BE IN ANY CHRISTIAN BOOKSTORE IF CATHOLICS WERE CHRISTIANS

YOU GUYS LIKE THE JWS AND MORMONS AND ADVENTISTS AND AND ALL PRODUCE AND SELL YOUR OWN BOOKS AT YOUR CHURCHES AND STORES....NO CHRISTIAN STORE SELL MARY WHORSHIP BOOKS


HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS

 

[John146]

So she professed the saving blood of Jesus every Sunday but didn't believe it. That hardly condemns every other Catholic on the planet or the established creed does it?
And It doesn't make them the beast.

A repetitive prayer is not trusting in the message. Even if you're trusting in Jesus and something else, say baptism, then that's a false gospel. So close and yet, so far.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

A repetitive prayer is not trusting in the message. Even if you're trusting in Jesus and something else, say baptism, then that's a false gospel. So close and yet, so far.

You're dangerously close to judging the heart there.


I'm not an apologist for The Catholic Church.
I was making a simple factual point. They are not the Antichrist system.

 

[Timothy5378]

The Bible is clear...the Roman beast in Daniel and the Antichrist and the Devil (Rev 12 and 14)all have 10 horns and the Catholic church has killed more Christians in the mame of God than any group in history...

 

[John146]

You're dangerously close to judging the heart there.


I'm not an apologist for The Catholic Church.
I was making a simple factual point. They are not the Antichrist system.

I would never play judge in that way. But if anyone adheres to their false gospel, they are on dangerous ground.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

I would never play judge in that way. But if anyone adheres to their false gospel, they are on dangerous ground.

Show me the false gospel in the Catholic faith. You cannot. They are bang on orthodox in this respect. There is no case against them for this. I refer you to post #72.

 

[John146]

Show me the false gospel in the Catholic faith. You cannot. They are bang on orthodox in this respect. There is no case against them for this. I refer you to post #72.

Baptism for the remission of sins.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Baptism for the remission of sins.

Are you JOKING? That is really grasping at straws. They baptise babies, which is not biblical. But that does not in any way deny the deity of Jesus, his death, resurrection, sonship or kingship.

Can you not read? Just how much more Christian could you make a declaration of faith?


We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and
unseen.
We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father; God from
God, Light from Light, true God from true God; begotten not made, one in being with the Father.
Through Him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation He came down from heaven. By the
power of the Holy Spirit He was born of the Virgin Mary and became man. For our sake He was
crucified under Pontius Pilate. He suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day He rose again, in
fulfillment of the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He
will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son He is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the
forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.

 

[John146]

Are you JOKING? That is really grasping at straws. They baptise babies, which is not biblical. But that does not in any way deny the deity of Jesus, his death, resurrection, sonship or kingship.

Can you not read? Just how much more Christian could you make a declaration of faith?


We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and
unseen.
We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father; God from
God, Light from Light, true God from true God; begotten not made, one in being with the Father.
Through Him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation He came down from heaven. By the
power of the Holy Spirit He was born of the Virgin Mary and became man. For our sake He was
crucified under Pontius Pilate. He suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day He rose again, in
fulfillment of the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He
will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son He is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the
forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.

I profess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. That’s infant baptism in the Catholic Church.

 

[John146]

Are you JOKING? That is really grasping at straws. They baptise babies, which is not biblical. But that does not in any way deny the deity of Jesus, his death, resurrection, sonship or kingship.

Can you not read? Just how much more Christian could you make a declaration of faith?


We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and
unseen.
We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father; God from
God, Light from Light, true God from true God; begotten not made, one in being with the Father.
Through Him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation He came down from heaven. By the
power of the Holy Spirit He was born of the Virgin Mary and became man. For our sake He was
crucified under Pontius Pilate. He suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day He rose again, in
fulfillment of the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He
will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son He is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the
forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Baptism for the remission of sins then keeping the sacraments to keep your life with God. Look it up.

Simply chanting a couple of verses from memory does not make one saved. That’s actually a great deception.

 

[Kolistus]

In 2 Thes ch 2 if you read it over and over you will see that the Antichrist is not revealed till after the rapture...and Elijah to come in Mal 4:5-6 must come before the rapture and restore all things...which he cannot do during the 7 year tribulation when the world will be blow apart....

top Christians know this....yet the world is looking for the wrong man first...which is not surprising...few are looking for Elijah or a Elijah like man....

and the Whole Bible says the same thing to everyone for its of no private interpretation....if you master all 66 books and 31,102 verses over lots and lots of hours reading and studying and implimenting the whole thing in context you can hold all truth that is promised in the Bible

So given the rapture can not come till One man Elijah gets here....and given Daniel makes it clear where the Antichrist comes from...Rome...and we know the Vatican rules Rome and the golden cup...the commentaries are clear....but maybe in a modern world now all religion is accepted as equal....but for the NT saints we know who the great whore is...The Vatican and Catholic church....

So we will have a John the Baptist like man that must come on the scene and do things...and the church won't be here for knowing who the Antichrist is...for that's after the rapture....the question is...why not learn the whole Bible and not worry so much about this TV world and cyber mess that is about to be destroyed....God bless

Isnt that the opposite of what 2 Thess 2 says?

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Jesus said John the Baptist was the Elijah to come.

And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come.
Matthew 11:14 NASB

I think I believe what Jesus said.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Baptism for the remission of sins then keeping the sacraments to keep your life with God. Look it up.

Simply chanting a couple of verses from memory does not make one saved. That’s actually a great deception.

The creed is not antichrist. It is not opposed to Jesus Christ.

You claim you KNOW that millions of Catholics only chant without believing in their hearts that Jesus has saved them? You know the hearts and thoughts of all those people? And therefore no other model can possibly be considered as the the harlot system. No matter how well it fits the biblical text?


What proof can you possibly offer me that YOU are saved? When you have just nullified the confession of every single Christian who has ever lived.

 

[Kolistus]

Daniel doesn't make it clear that the Antichrist comes from Rome at all. None of the prophets indicate a Roman Antichrist. The Roman Antichrist theory is a modern Western interpretation.

What about this:

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Of the same stock would be Roman.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Are you JOKING? That is really grasping at straws. They baptise babies, which is not biblical.

Really?
How is baptising babies not "biblical"?

"There are three definite cases of household baptisms recorded in the New Testament, and there is a strong inference that a fourth case included the entire household. The case where household baptism is strongly implied is that of Cornelius (Acts 10:47-48; 11:14). The three definite cases of household baptisms are those of Lydia (Acts 16:15), the Philippian jailor (Acts 16:33-34), and Stephanas (1 Cor. 1:16)."
Excerpt from, Truth Magazine.

A person was a member of the house hold upon the 8th day. (See circumcision laws).

So we know they baptized whole households and we know that from 8 days old, you are a household member.

Are we to assume that none of these house holds included any infants or children. I think that is a bit of a jump.

The Bible is never specific about infant baptism, but can we assume from silence? If we make that the standard a lot of things come to question. There is a whole host of things we know because of principal ideas in the Bible.
Example: we know getting stoned on drugs is a sin not because drugs are mentioned specifically, but the general principles established about drinking alcohol, and being sober minded.

I don't know that I would through out a practice that was done by the established church for as far back as there are records just because the anabaptists theology got some traction some 1500 years later.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

What about this:

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Of the same stock would be Roman.

Jesus said there will be many antichrists.
With out trying to break to hard on it. I am inclined to believe the Antichrist of Daniel was Caesar Nero, who sent Titus to Jerusalem in 70 AD, and the temple was utterly destroyed.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

What about this:

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Of the same stock would be Roman.

What happened to the Eastern leg of The Roman Empire?

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Really?
How is baptising babies not "biblical"?

"There are three definite cases of household baptisms recorded in the New Testament, and there is a strong inference that a fourth case included the entire household. The case where household baptism is strongly implied is that of Cornelius (Acts 10:47-48; 11:14). The three definite cases of household baptisms are those of Lydia (Acts 16:15), the Philippian jailor (Acts 16:33-34), and Stephanas (1 Cor. 1:16)."
Excerpt from, Truth Magazine.

A person was a member of the house hold upon the 8th day. (See circumcision laws).

So we know they baptized whole households and we know that from 8 days old, you are a household member.

Are we to assume that none of these house holds included any infants or children. I think that is a bit of a jump.

The Bible is never specific about infant baptism, but can we assume from silence? If we make that the standard a lot of things come to question. There is a whole host of things we know because of principal ideas in the Bible.
Example: we know getting stoned on drugs is a sin not because drugs are mentioned specifically, but the general principles established about drinking alcohol, and being sober minded.

I don't know that I would through out a practice that was done by the established church for as far back as there are records just because the anabaptists theology got some traction some 1500 years later.

I'm not here to argue all the ins and outs of every Catholic practice under the sun.
I was trying to make one factual point to these people. That Catholicism is not the harlot/beast empire. No matter how much they want it to be. It doesn't fit.

 

[Kolistus]

The center of the Muslim world and one of it’s most important sites, Mecca in Saudia Arabia isn’t built on seven hills but in the centre of them. The hills are Jabal abu Siba’ , Jabal Safa, Jabal Marwah, Jabal abu Milhah, Jabal abu Ma’aya, Jabal abu Hulayah, and Jabal abu Ghuzlan.

This is something I didnt know before. We have another candidate running. Catholics as much errors as they may have, believe Jesus is the son of God, but guess who doesnt? Islamic daily prayers are repeating "God has no son" so they fit the biblical criteria of antichrist.

You might be on to something there Lucy, tell me more if you wish