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BillG

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You're still living by faith, right?
You aren't thinking about where you came from and wanting to go back, right?
Then you have a good report along with the faithful in Hebrews 11.

13All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them. - Hebrews 11:13-16

Hey, if Samson can be commended for his faith then so can you and I, lol.
Ok now I get it.

Yep still living by faith.
Without him I am nothing and with him I am everything.
 
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EleventhHour

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None of which says...
So you think one can continue in sin?

If God's Laws, His Word through Christ have been placed in the heart, we being HIS Workmanship.
How can we not live in the way in which had before ordain that we should walk?
First understand this....

A person who willingly, humbly, repents and turns towards the cross, trusting Christ as their Savior, will be saved (Acts 16:31; John 6:37; John 14:6).

That salvation is once and for all, eternal, and secure. Those who truly trust in Christ are saved once, and saved always.


In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory.
Ephesians 1: 13-14
 
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You don't get it do you? Paul was commissioned by Peter, James and John to preach the gospel of the uncircumcision, he had no authority to tell the Jews anything about being dead to the Law.

To put it in another way, imagine you are a Jew during the period in Acts who believes in Jesus. Will you go away with the idea that you are dead to the Law?

What will James and the elders say to you if you tell them you are not going to circumcise your children anymore because you heard Paul saying to the gentiles in Galatians that he is dead to the law?
Read the passage.
Paul is using himself to show the gentile Galatians that not even Jews have to keep the law for justification.
Just read the emboldened parts, then read the whole context if you need to. It plainly says Jews are also dead to the law:

Galatians 2:15-16,19-21

15We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in d Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

19For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”
 
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EleventhHour

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Ok now I get it.

Yep still living by faith.
Without him I am nothing and with him I am everything.
Don't let him deceive you, he is trying to make you think salvation is maintained by your effort and by your behavior ...it is not.

As we exercise faith in Christ, our eternal position affects our daily condition, but in no way does our daily life affect our heavenly position. The eternal position brings change in our daily life, not the other way around.

This is stated clearly in......

Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.
Colossians 3:1

3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.
Ephesians 1:3

17 I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit[a] of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. 18 I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in his holy people,
Ephesians 1: 17-18

18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate[a] the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
2 Corinthians 3:18
 

BillG

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Don't let him deceive you, he is trying to make you think salvation is maintained by your effort and by your behavior ...it is not.

As we exercise faith in Christ, our eternal position affects our daily condition, but in no way does our daily life affect our heavenly position. The eternal position brings change in our daily life, not the other way around.

This is stated clearly in......

Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.
Colossians 3:1

3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.
Ephesians 1:3

17 I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit[a] of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. 18 I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in his holy people,
Ephesians 1: 17-18

18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate[a] the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
2 Corinthians 3:18
Don't panic.
 

VCO

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You don't get it do you? Paul was commissioned by Peter, James and John to preach the gospel of the uncircumcision, he had no authority to tell the Jews anything about being dead to the Law.

To put it in another way, imagine you are a Jew during the period in Acts who believes in Jesus. Will you go away with the idea that you are dead to the Law?

What will James and the elders say to you if you tell them you are not going to circumcise your children anymore because you heard Paul saying to the gentiles in Galatians that he is dead to the law?

The Synagogue: When Paul first came to Corinth, he naturally sought out a synagogue, as was his custom, to begin his Christian evangelizing. Not far from the entrance structure (Propylaia) to the forum/agora on the Lechaion Road, a lintel stone was found with crude lettering: "Synagogue of the Hebrews." Since stones were often scattered from their original location by later destruction and some were moved elsewhere to be used in new construction, it is by no means certain that the original synagogue was in this area. Furthermore, this lintel stone dates from three or more centuries after the time of Paul. However, the size of the stone suggests that it may not have been moved far from its original location, and new synagogues frequently were erected on the site of previous ones. Since we know Paul lived for a time in a house owned by a Gentile "worshiper of God, Titius Justus, which was adjacent to a synagogue, it is tempting to think of his residing somewhere in that vicinity. Corinth may have had more than one synagogue; Crispus and Sosthenes are both named in Acts as the "official" (archisynagogos) of a synagogue, but the relation between the two and the synagogue mentioned is unclear (Acts 18:8, 17).
You need to study a LOT more:

Acts 18:6-17 (NIV)
6 But when the Jews opposed Paul and became abusive, he shook out his clothes in protest and said to them, "Your blood be on your own heads! I am clear of my responsibility. From now on I will go to the Gentiles." {The Bema in the AGORA, would have been the ideal place for Paul to preach to the pagan Gentiles.}
7 Then Paul left the synagogue and went next door to the house of Titius Justus, a worshiper of God.
8 Crispus, the synagogue ruler, and his entire household believed in the Lord; and many of the Corinthians who heard him believed and were baptized.
9 One night the Lord spoke to Paul in a vision: "Do not be afraid; keep on speaking, do not be silent.
10 For I am with you, and no one is going to attack and harm you, because I have many people in this city."
11 So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.
12 While Gallio was proconsul of Achaia, the Jews made a united attack on Paul and brought him into court.
13 "This man," they charged, "is persuading the people to worship God in ways contrary to the law."
14 Just as Paul was about to speak, Gallio said to the Jews, "If you Jews were making a complaint about some misdemeanor or serious crime, it would be reasonable for me to listen to you.
15 But since it involves questions about words and names and your own law--settle the matter yourselves. I will not be a judge of such things."
16 So he had them ejected from the court.
17 Then they all turned on Sosthenes the synagogue ruler and beat him in front of the court. But Gallio showed no concern whatever.

About 50% of the early Church, especially in Corinth, used to go to the Synagogue. The Church at Corinth, used to have LOVE FEASTS on Saturday, and Paul Actually started out TEACHING in the Synagogue, for almost the first Year, and When they started to object, Paul moved Next Door the house of Titius Justus, a Jewish convert, which served as their meeting place until they had enough money to build a Church. So some of the JEWS would attend the Synagogue Meeting, and then stop in at the LOVE FEAST, and Listen as Paul taught the Scriptures.


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Corinth was destroyed by an earthquake in 856 AD, with an estimated Magnitude 8 earthquake. Recently an Archaeologist found a stone face down on the Lechaion Road, near the building I marked Synagogue of the Hebrews. Which had remained unnoticed because it just looked like another crumbled stone from the backside. When they finally flipped the Heavy Stone over, it was inscribed: SYNAGOGUE OF THE HEBREWS, in their language. So that pinpointed the building that had probably been the Synagogue, so the building next door to the north, had to be the house of Titius Justus, in my estimation. It doubled as home Church, during Paul's First visit to Corinth, after they got ordered out of the Synagogue. Perhaps there was enough time to build a Church, by the time Paul wrote 2 Corinthians.
 

mailmandan

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I will never forget when lightbearer made this statement to me — “The Life Death and Resurrection is the means to the Gospel not the Gospel.” o_O
 
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I will never forget when lightbearer made this statement to me — “The Life Death and Resurrection is the means to the Gospel not the Gospel.” o_O
That is out there.:eek:

Typically dodge and weave falsehoods to back up their denial of truth at all costs.
 

lightbearer

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Okay I have just had an even better grasp of this verse...
This is my last time discussing this with you but I think my understanding refutes your loose salvation dogma.

Would you agree that under the Levitical system there two types of sin those done in ignorance and presumptive sin?

Numbers 15:26
You keep saying you have a grasp on the verses and then you leave the context and chapter to try to explain it.
However to answer your question yes.
Hebrews 10:26 is dealing with presumptive sins and verse 28 tells of how it was dealt with.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
 

lightbearer

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I will never forget when lightbearer made this statement to me — “The Life Death and Resurrection is the means to the Gospel not the Gospel.” o_O
Spend less time trying to slander and bait and answer the points of the posts to which you disagree

The Gospel, the salvation that God offers is the Gift of His Spirit. This is the salvation, the new life that He offers through Christ's life death and resurrection.
 

lightbearer

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Was he banned, typically I have noticed often they are on several sites writing the same nonsense.
No I was a Moderator. The site was the same as this one. It almost mirrors it in regards to the discussions. This one has more forums for just fellowship though. That is nice to see
 

mailmandan

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Spend less time trying to slander and bait and answer the points of the posts to which you disagree

The Gospel, the salvation that God offers is the Gift of His Spirit. This is the salvation, the new life that He offers through Christ's life death and resurrection.
Is it really slander or did you actually make that statement? Are you denying it?

The gospel is the “good news” of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES. (Romans 1:16) To believe the gospel is to trust in the death burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.
 

mailmandan

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You people really do have an issue in that you talk about people. May God be merciful...
Who is you people? All of us talk about what others have said in various posts. That’s why it’s called Christian Chat. Don’t act so innocent.
 

lightbearer

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Is it really slander or did you actually make that statement? Are you denying it?
so it is ok to gossip and try to belittle? The topic was Hebrew 10:26.
Rather than go down the path you chose here why not just concede that you don't have any rebuttal and stop grieving the Holy Spirit.
Who is you people? All of us talk about what others have said in various posts. That’s why it’s called Christian Chat. Don’t act so innocent.
Now you will try to justify your ill act.