Not By Works

Would this require someone who knows the language to find out?

The person listening would know if the words have meaning and if it is intelligible speech.

I have a study on the supposed Gift of Tongues, that is Very Eye Opening.

I had to break it up into 9 Segments, because it is a Lengthy Study, but very Thorough.

Hear is the Sight for this "A Non-Charismatic Understanding of TONGUES":

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/a-non-charismatic-understanding-of-tongues.184020/

My understanding is that it is a message from God in a heavenly language.

Yes I know all about it.... not a heavenly language, Paul was using hyperbole, exaggeration to make a point.

1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a ringing gong or a clanging cymbal.
1 Cor 13:1

Gee, I thought the Roman Catholic laid claim to this status.

I mentioned recently that I had been fortunate enough to identify Robin of Loxley, also known as Robin Hood. Over the years I have read pages of material from professors and academics, all highly acclaimed in their own field of expertise, Professor Holt perhaps being the one most people have heard of. How anyone can write about an unknown person is beyond me, nobody knew who he was or even if he existed, never mind publishing books and papers about him. Anyway, he has been identified and every word they ever wrote was false. This is similar.

How about this you come to the right conclusion that saved means saved, and the God gives eternal life when a person believes and is
they are born from above... one belief in the Jesus the object of said faith who keeps his promises.

Then maybe then you would be not make scripture state something it does not actually mean.

Three times in 2:24 John mentions the term “abide" to the true doctrine of Jesus Christ to enable them to abide in fellowship with God. Such faithfulness enables us to continue to abide in fellowship with God. Again, abiding refers to remaining or continuing in intimate fellowship God.

Sad all you can see are warnings about losing salvation (does not exist) .... which means you miss the greater bulk of the truth.
Basic concept "abide" is not about maintaining salvation.

@PS you put a red X on this post https://christianchat.com/threads/not-by-works.146296/post-4147297 a clear description of everything you and others do

by @dcontroversal....... I would really like you to refute it step by step.

I 'll be waiting

The "church" is the Body of Christ, not a denomination nor a building. If one belongs to Christ, they are part of the church.

What took you so long

YES, he is NOT saying that Angels have a special languages of their own, all he is emphasizing, when Angels spoke to men, they had a eloquence, and they had an BOLDNESS, as ONE WHO SPEAKS FROM THEE AUTHORITY, that it commanded attention. So even with that, without LOVE, it is just a BIG NOISE.

They cannot refute it because that is exactly what they do.............and they will find out soon enough that their cafe blend false gospels had no power to save therir souls......

AMEN and NO MATTER how they slice and dice...that particular view absolutely calls JESUS a liar.......THEY absolutely reject JESUS finishing and completing the work of faith in us....
JESUS -->begins, finishes completes the work of faith in us

The Liars ----> JESUS begins, does not finish, does not complete the work of faith in us, we MUST maintain FAITH

They are deceivers and what they peddle devalues JESUS, his promises and is sickening and IMV is akin to saying JESUS is not GOD.....

Red x's from PLAY STATION with a broken controller = jack!!!!

He will be red x'ed by JESUS

HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH this is hilariously sad.....and reeks of a complete lack of understanding....!!

Do you know that the word CHURCH was not in the Bible at all, it was added to the definition of ekklêsia about 200 A.D., because that was what congregations were calling themselves.

HERE IS THE WORD THAT JESUS AND THE DISCIPLES ACTUALLY USED:

Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
18 `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;

Yes the word actually means ASSEMBLY, the EXACT SAME WORD, that HE called the O.T. ASSEMBLY.

O.T. ASSEMBLY - The True Believers of the O.T. Times, Believed GOD would send a Messiah to pay for their Sins.

N.T. ASSEMBLY - The True Believer of the N.T. Times, Believe that GOD did send the Messiah to pay for our Sins.

Is that NOT the SAME FAITH, the Faith of Abraham?

Those are the TWO FOLDS that will become the ONE FLOCK at the Rapture.

The N.T. ASSEMBLY, did not begin until the Day of Pentecost, after HIS Ascension, so here, is Jesus talking to the Last of the O.T. ASSEMBLY.

John 10:14-16 (HCSB)
14 “I am the good shepherd. I know My own sheep, and they know Me,
15 as the Father knows Me, and I know the Father. I lay down My life for the sheep.
16 But I have other sheep [N.T. Assembly] that are not of this fold [O.T. Assembly]; I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock, one shepherd [At the Rapture].

That being the Case, is not the O.T. ASSEMBLY, also IN THE MESSIAH, not just the N.T. ASSEMBLY IS ? ? ?

Those who TRULY Believed GOD would send a MESSIAH to pay for their Sins, would have to be the first ones out of the GRAVE in the Rapture? Before you answer that, HOW TRUE DO YOU BELIEVE THIS VERSE ACTUALLY IS?


Malachi 3:6 (HCSB)
6 “Because I, Yahweh, have not changed,
you descendants of Jacob have not been destroyed.

HE only SAVES ONE WAY, both O.T. Assembly, and N.T. Assembly, are Both SAVED by GRACE through FAITH.

Jesus identified his disciples as the church twice in the present tense lobg before the 50th day....Play ststion is a Pentecostal and like they ALL DO, erroneously believe the church was started on Pentecost......

Interesting. I thought he was saying angels have a special language. Could that still be a possibly? Thanks for the link on the study you did on the gift of tongues. Definitely interesting.