Health, Wealth & Prosperity

2. Why not, who says, and by what authority do you speak.
I commanded my healing to come for about an hour and one half straight, and it did just that.
So speak for yourself, using my tongue to make what I want or desire works for me.

Let's see you use it to avoid any aging and death.

Won't happen dude.

yeah true. just feels like some kenneth copeland name it claim it stuff to me. talking to yourself in the mirror manifesting your destiny walking in your destiny all this new doctrine. its to me look like a circus really.

Firstly, I am not bitter and I don't hate believers.

In fact, my understanding of how God uses suffering allows me to be joyful in the midst of unpleasant circumstances.

Secondly, I don't hate the promises of God. Nor do I experience heartache over unmet expectations, like WoF theology leads some people to.

Ultimately, it should lead to the same in all of them, because their body will age and decay and fail on them.

Thirdly, I realize that the primary reward of those who follow Christ is in the New Heavens and the New Earth.

Fourthly, you are a liar, because you claimed that I called God a liar. I never called God a liar. He doesn't lie. If I don't believe in YOUR UNDERSTANDING of God's promises, that doesn't mean I am a liar. Your understanding is unbiblical.

You should see Copeland screaming “MONNNNEEEEYYY....COME TO ME” reaching out his grabby hands.

Of course the buffoons in his audience are only too willing to send it to him. Lemmings to the slaughter.

You should see Copeland screaming “MONNNNEEEEYYY....COME TO ME” reaching out his grabby hands.

Of course the buffoons in his audience are only too willing to send it to him. Lemmings to the slaughter.

We are not to expect physical blessings,

its sad really. im torn on that subject. on one side i feel bad for those people that send him money and get scammed and he is pulling their leg

but on one side i also think wow those are some retarded people in that church like how are these guys this dumb. how can they tie their shoelaces with such an ape like IQ? really. so they deserve to be ripped off. but i still feel bad for them because maybe they got dropped on their heads or are suffering from mercury poisoning or like me they hit their head or maybe they are just going thru emotional trauma who knows. or maybe they just really are that dumb lolz

Not everyone will be rich and live like a rock star. However God does and will bless His children spiritually and physically.

He gave us a mind to understand. That is why we go to school, get big achievements, which results in well paid jobs, house, car, etc

Our loving Father also gives us talents that we were born with. We use these talents and are paid.

Or perhaps some were born into a rich family. This was not by their efforts, it was God's will.

So yes, I'm expecting God to bless me, even with a cup of tea in the morning and even with a glass of water to quench my thirst, yes I am looking to my Father.

I'm not looking to my job to bless me, but to God who give me the strength to get up and go to work.

Oh yes, I am expecting from God!

And He says we should. We may not get everything we desire. But He will bless us.

Matthew 6:28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith? 31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

(This is not to say none will be poor or sick as some claim.)

There was one guy here who followed WoF and Bethel’s teachings. I think he even went to their School of Supernatural Ministry. He realized at some point it was fake. He became very depressed and had no interest in Christianity after that. Unmet expectations lead to that sort of shipwreck.

This sort of thinking is disgustingly harmful.

If God blesses us with money and material things above our needs then it violates love is the fulfilling of the law which includes feeding and clothing the poor and needy, so God would only bless us with our needs, and God does only bless us with our needs.

Paul said charity is greater than faith.

Paul said if anybody preaches that God blesses the saints with their wants above their needs then withdraw yourselves from them, having food ans clothing be content.

For the love of money is the root of all evil for it neglects the poor and needy.

And the saints appear poor to the world but possess all things to be given them in the future.

The early Church sold all that they had that was not a necessity and distributed the money to the saints that had need.

God wants people to prosper but only by their needs, not their wants, for God loves people not blessing the saints with money for personal use that has nothing to do with their needs, but their wants, for then it is not love towards people.

Some people suppose that godliness is gain, from such withdraw yourselves, having food and clothing be content.

Anything that is not a necessity the saints do not get unless they want to violate love which then faith is dead.

For love is greater than faith.

. Even the NIV wants to use this word in Jeremiah 29:16 "For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."

We are told in Psalm 139:16 that God writes the book of our life before we are even born. Every chapter and every verse. So that God's desire for us is written in a book that the Angels can read to help us to become the person God wants and intends for us to be. Does God want us to prosper and to be in good health? How can we understand Moses when he tells us that God's desire is for us to prosper?

1. Words can have a consequence. For instance, words can either discourage or encourage a child leading to disastrous results or
great results. This does not mean you can cause things to magically appear by your words.

2. Internet claims are cheap. I know two others who claim to have resurrected dead people. One told me he lied about it later.
The other is someone who is immoral and engages in drunkenness and sexual immorality. Obviously she is not someone God
would use to resurrect the dead.

4. Word of Faith teachers like Kenneth Copeland and Fred Price claim that they are "little gods". Copeland even claims to control the
weather.

Correct. This sort of thing reeks of witchcraft and spell casting.



Even during Jesus‘ time on earth resurrection of the dead wasn’t a commonplace thing. In fact, it was the resurrection of Lazarus that galvanized the Jewish nation and led to the Triumphal Entry into Jerusalem on the 10th of Nisan, the day we celebrate today as Palm Sunday. We remember the resurrection of Lazarus on Lazarus Sunday and chant this hymn...




This is very dangerous teaching. Historically, the idea that we are little gods refers to the idea of theosis. What we would call perhaps sanctification or having the mind of Christ using modern English. However, pagan religions, Mormonism, and word faith misapply this to mean that we can become divine in essence, which is really the rebellion of Lucifer all over again:

“You said in your heart,
“I will ascend to heaven;
I will raise my throne above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain.
I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.” - Isaiah 14:13-14

For someone who doesn't hate the promises of God, you sure do ignore the ones I present, A LOT, as well as saying the realities of this natural world, are more true, supersede and/or are more powerful than that which is written. As though the word of God is filled with empty promises.
You believe the natural OVER what is written, even going so far as to say God won't do anything for those who believe and trust in Him for the things we ask for.
This says a couple of things, at the very least.
One being, the word of God is NOT in you.
You lift up and have faith in, the natural world, above the word of God, which is forever established in heaven, and the kingdom of heaven rules the kingdom of man.
And who or what is the god of this natural world, causing natural disasters, situations, and circumstances, sicknesses and diseases, mental illnesses and infirmities?
That is the one you have placed your faith in.
It is like the rich placing their faith in their wealth.
You condemn the wealthy, but fail to see yourself relying on and trusting in everything the god of this world rules over.
Which means, he rules over you, because your house is built on the sand.
But if you build you house upon the rock, like I have, when the god of this world brings calamity against me, it will be my God who will deliver me. And that will bring Him far greater glory than any suffering you or anyone else endure, while doing nothing about it spiritual, except for trying to find relief through natural means.
By placing your faith in the natural over the promises of God, you are in effect, calling God a liar.
That is what I meant when I said you were calling God, a liar.
If a situation doesn't line up with the word of God, that situation is a lie.
If what a person says, doesn't line up with the word of God, that person is a liar.
There is a reason why you fail to see the truth of God's word over what the natural world screams in your face, and it isn't because you are a believer in Christ.
On the contrary, Jesus said His sheep hear His word, which is the truth, and also why the children of light receive the light of the word.
So why can't you?
Why do you keep telling me, God's word won't have ANY EFFECT in my life, when I know that to be a lie? You might not, but I do.
Why do you NEVER EVER claim any of the promises of God?
Why do you continually tell me God WON'T DO THAT FOR YOU?
You are not a believer.
Not when I hear the same or similar language from both the agnostics and atheists.
A true believer doesn't call God a liar, seeing He said He both watches over and hasten to perform his word. But you say otherwise.
Jesus said you shall know them by their fruit or the fruit they produce, and a real believer in Christ does not, would not, and could not, speak such doubt, as you are propagating.

1. Jeremiah 29:16 may be the second most misquoted scripture in the Bible behind Matthew 7:1.

I attended classes at the Bible college so I know a little bit about Biblical hermeneutics and the principles of interpretation. Of course we look at the literal interpretation first, for context. Then we look at how the passage applies to us today in our generation. Often we are better off to stay with the KJV when we question what God is saying to us and what His message is for us in this passage: "For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end." (Jeremiah 29:16) When God uses a word three times (thoughts) that should cause us to take notice. Jesus makes it clear the future we can expect: For Earth to become as Heaven is. That should give us all reason to hope.

all things do, in fact, work toward the good of those who love God

I remember when I first read the scripture that tells us: "In all things give thanks". I though, you have GOT to be kidding me. I can think of lots of things that people would have trouble giving thanks for. Yet we know that all things work together for the good of those that love God and are called according to His purpose. So in all things we give thanks.