Not By Works

Have you ever seen a water wheel? The more water that flows in the faster the wheel goes round.
If you come up with x points and the answer they give is always y, it will never change.

Some on purpose desire to provoke and abuse others, stir feelings because theirs boil easily.
If you want to have them boil, you are doing well, but it costs a lot of time and effort for nothing.

This thread is almost like the local bun fight, educational but not an example to follow.

I was kidding you.😁

All glory to God who gives more than we could ever "deserve" to us freely by His grace.



God bless you brother

Have them boil?

Those that stand and agree with Jesus that our salvation is secure as He promised are attacked and maligned daily on here.

We defend the Gospel and reveal the unbelief that lurks within those that come here and clamour how they are saving themselves.

....and two such people recently went bye bye

The unbelief of those two people who went bye bye was exposed numerous times, along with their pet heretical doctrines. It's also no coincidence that both of those people strongly opposed OSAS.

How are we supposed to gain the reward of salvation if we do not earn it.....🤔🤔

Not by works but by sin they cry ............

Not by works but by cleansing and purity that comes through Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour they cry ............

If we are not cleansed then how can we ever be pure and holy, only sin remains, but then there is no love and communion with God and we have sacrificed the only relationship in the world that could save us.

Are you making up stories?

Who cried we are saved by sin?

Who argued to not have a relationship with God?

You have got to be kidding me?

IT IS NOT A REWARD. HEAVEN REWARDS ARE IMPERISHABLE LAUREL WREATH CROWNS.



Salvation is a FREE GIFT, which does not require any form of payment.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (NJB)
8 Because it is by grace that you have been saved, through faith; not by anything of your own, but by a gift from God;
9 not by anything that you have done, so that nobody can claim the credit.

Romans 11:29 (HCSB)
29 since God’s gracious gifts and calling are irrevocable.

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

John 4:10 (NCV)
10 Jesus said, “If you only knew the free gift of God and who it is that is asking you for water, you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water.“

Romans 5:15-17 (NCV)
15 But God’s free gift is not like Adam’s sin. Many people died because of the sin of that one man. But the grace from God was much greater; many people received God’s gift of life by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ.
16 After Adam sinned once, he was judged guilty. But the gift of God is different. God’s free gift came after many sins, and it makes people right with God.
17 One man sinned, and so death ruled all people because of that one man. But now those people who accept God’s full grace and the great gift of being made right with him will surely have true life and rule through the one man, Jesus Christ.

Romans 6:23 (NRSV)
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.


John 14:15 (HCSB)
15 “If you love Me, [the very first moment you genuinely LOVED HIM, YOU ARE ETERNALLY SAVED.]
you will keep My commands. [then after that, obedience is a result of that LOVE, and NEVER WAS PART OF SALVATION.]

No, we are not perfect at it, but the NEW NATURE of our born again human spirit, is to strive to obey HIM out of LOVE.

Heb 6:11
We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure.

Have you figured out what he believes yet? He claims to be OSAS

Have you figured out what he believes yet? He claims to be OSAS

Is your election sure?

2 Peter 1:10-11
Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Peter appears to be saying, I know guys election is subjective until we meet the King, but just to make it sure do these things.

Now if Peter did not believe in being locked in no matter what why should we, as he was an apostle who walked with Jesus and literally was central to the foundation of the church, the anointing of the Holy Spirit, rebuking of those who accepted faith and then rebelled, relationship with God is crucial, and knowing His favour and blessing everything.

I suspect so many have been betrayed in their lives by people close to them, the idea Jesus might disown them is too painful even though this is exactly what He said about those who disown Him.

Matt 10:33
But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.

Some say I know the Lord so He would never disown me, except He has said if you disown Him, He will disown you.
This is what relationships are all about, staying true till the end.

Heb 6:11
We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure.

Col 1:22-23
But now he has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation--
if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel.

We are the elect is we are established, mature, fully grown, lasting to the end.

There is no hope for snowflakes who melt away when the sun comes out and hardship arises.
Funnily living in Christ is far easier than living in the world, because in the world our house fall down
and we are just a wrecked heap at the end.

God bless you in your walk and in your faith as you stay faithful and true to the King of Kings,
showing you are part of the elect, the chosen destined to eternal life with our Lord and Saviour, Amen.

Do I claim that? Please can you show me.
I believe in the elect, chosen of God before the beginning of time, written in the Lambs book of life.

Who they are, we can only trust the testimony of the Holy Spirit and the testimony of belief in Jesus and His coming, death on the cross for the forgiveness of sins and resurrection to the Father, in the belief we too will be raised to eternal life in Christ Jesus Amen.

So what do you call me. A calvanist, an OSAS believer, or just a simple follower of Jesus.

And what of Judas? He appeared an apostle yet betrayed his Lord. But then Jesus said of him

John 17:12
While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.

Your continued approval if said poster speaks volumes
you do realize. As a said OSAS supporter the very man you are defending has personally attacked you by proxy numerous times over the past few years
if you wish to defend yourself in ignorance that’s fine. But you can no longer claim ignorance as you have been warned

I am SO SURE OF MY ELECTION, that HE is in control of my life, and have seen so many minor miracles that HE has worked in others and myself, THAT I COULD NEVER DOUBT HIM EVER. So how come you doubt ? ? ?

I won't call you anything you don't call yourself.😁

I don't hold to a denomination but I think we can at least agree Jesus is God in the flesh and gets alllll the glory for salvation.

God, by His grace has not only saved us from a just punishment but also gives us new desires for righteousness.....

We look to His works in us, the Holy spirit, His inspired written word for direction, but we look to Christ and His promises for assurance.


We want to walk in love to be witnesses of Him who loved us first and share any truth He has revealed to us.....


(also would you disagree that we can KNOW we are His?)

Do I claim that? Please can you show me.
I believe in the elect, chosen of God before the beginning of time, written in the Lambs book of life.

Who they are, we can only trust the testimony of the Holy Spirit and the testimony of belief in Jesus and His coming, death on the cross for the forgiveness of sins and resurrection to the Father, in the belief we too will be raised to eternal life in Christ Jesus Amen.

So what do you call me. A calvanist, an OSAS believer, or just a simple follower of Jesus.

And what of Judas? He appeared an apostle yet betrayed his Lord. But then Jesus said of him

John 17:12
While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.

I won't call you anything you don't call yourself.😁

I don't hold to a denomination but I think we can at least agree Jesus is God in the flesh and gets alllll the glory for salvation.

God, by His grace has not only saved us from a just punishment but also gives us new desires for righteousness.....

We look to His works in us, the Holy spirit, His inspired written word for direction, but we look to Christ and His promises for assurance.


We want to walk in love to be witnesses of Him who loved us first and share any truth He has revealed to us.....


(also would you disagree that we can KNOW we are His?)

You are confusing two issues.
1. A brother in Christ is someone who has faith in Jesus and walks His path
2. The sharing of a perspective, no matter how much I disagree with it, does not invalidate its value.

This is a forum, a place to share perspectives. If I am told election is abhorrent to someone, that is fine
as long as I am not being told personally that I am personally being abhorrent.

Do you see the difference?

I think of this like David and Bathsheba. David fell in love, and had an affair. Probably felt good.
He tried to cover it up. When God confronted him that He was upset about this behaviour and why,
David broke down and repented.

So I am just offering support to a brother, which looks like fireworks. And the fireworks seems inappropriate.
Election theology can be used to say sin does not matter, unless behaviour demonstrates one election reality.

Unfortunately some are too lost in their repeated statements to see the difference.

Amen.

"also would you disagree that we can KNOW we are His?"

Over time, we know we are being called and transformed. But I always sense my fragility and my need, so I do not want to end in arrogance, presumption or certainty.

Some feel until the Lord speaks to them, personally they are not sure it is real.
But Jesus spoke to us all in scripture, but we easily dismiss the quiet small voice of the Holy Spirit, and want the sky lit up and the trumpets blast. But then we like the dramatic.

Zacharia is like a lot of us

Luke 1:18
Zechariah asked the angel, "How can I be sure of this? I am an old man and my wife is well along in years."

If you listen to the visits to the 3rd heaven, and talking to the prophets etc. I have seen nothing.
So I like the reassurance I have and the foundation God has built in me, Amen.