What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

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Matthew 12:32 "age to come" so when the one they were in when he stated this ended/ends then the next age begins/began but there is still a sin that will not be forgiven and so then there are those who will still be judged in that next "age"...can this take place "after the final judgment"?

I would offer that according to the Hebrew it would have nothing to do with the gospel.

Six times in John the emphasis is on the "last day" Then the former things will not be remembered or ever come to mind . . in that age

It would appear we are in the age of Adam as in all die. The same age as the disciples and patriarchs were in.

I suppose I have at times focused on particular wording also but the deeper I dug into any one particular word It came to the same conclusion. For instance https://outreachjudaism.org/400000-variants-in-the-nt-greek-manuscript/ and there are many other sources this is just the first type page I came to when writing this post,lol

In any event though from what I have found there are only fragments of the original manuscripts(Apostles autographs) and then the multitude of copies of copies. Some of these copies are complete but the farther back in time we go the more damage is found and so much of the Scriptures we have are taken from many of the different manuscripts we have and pieced together from one until it gets to missing portions and then they used another copy to continue interpreting these books. In short though there are thousands of differences in the scripts that were used and then so no way of knowing if any one word like "the" was present or not in the Autographs.

It would appear we are in the age of Adam as in all die. The same age as the disciples and patriarchs were in.

I don't perceive you as trying to be ugly I understand that many of these type discussions might lead to that but I generally bow out and look at other threads when they do. I see plainword as a dear friend and enjoy following along with him as well as others post and am not trying to belittle him in the least.

I don't remember posting to you in threads before if so I apologize for not remembering. When I was young I read bits and pieces of the bible and would ask the deacons questions about different things. When I was about 18 I decided to just sit down and begin in Genesis 1;1 and read all the way through the bible and did so. This was about 70 years ago and I have no idea now how many times I have read the different books in the bible, some of them several hundred times.

I suppose the issue of camps began with the protestant movement several hundred years ago because there was only the Catholic Church before that from around 300ad onward and so the issue of having a little different view of what Scripture meant was not tolerated.

I do not hold to the main four Eschatological camps because I see them as having what I refer to as certain "foggy grey areas" in their exegesis of things. That is I notice that they begin on a seemingly sound footing but then drift off into an unknown area on other matters.

If someone makes a firm stance on something they see in prophecy then later as several things seem to also fit together other things should also fall into agreement with the stance they began with. In general I will listen to them and then as I ponder it compare it to Scripture and so although you might not see why I make certain comments I have made them based on things that were discussed in the past with those who hold to that position in eschatology.

I will give you an example,,,, In Revelation 13:11-18 there is a mark of the beast implemented by the two horned beast. The image is set up and those who do not worship it are killed. those who buy and sell must have the mark or they cannot buy and sell. Now there are different ideas of this among the camps to consider so I will ask you a question.

In ad70 who fulfilled the Scriptures of Revelation 13:11-18? the Jews minted their own coins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish_Revolt_coinage and the Jews also refused to bow down to Rome/Caesar so if Rome is the beast it can not be said that the Jews worshiped it as God or bought or sold with their mark because they revolted against them "Jewish revolt" http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/war-2.html

Now then the Romans were not destroyed in fact in history they win all three Jewish revolts and continue onward in time after ad70. The Jews revolt against the fourth beast(Rome) and don't worship it or use it's money to buy or sell. And the Christians are told to see the powers over them (Rome at that time as ordained by God Romans 13:1-7) and to render them their dues(payment/dues/money) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+13&version=KJV Now of these mentioned the Christians the Jews and the Romans who is it that worshiped the Image of the beast and took it's mark to buy and sell? That is you see if these Scriptures were fulfilled by ad70 then one camp makes sense but if not then the other does because it is yet future.

Jesus telling the people there that ALL these things would take place in that generation.

When JESUS comes HE will slay the wicked by the brightness OF HIS coming They will lay from end of the earth to the other . Jeremiah 25:33 tells us And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of earth even unto the other end of the earth ;they shall not be lamented , neither gathered , nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground . &Jeremiah 16:4 tells you & this is the great supper for the birds that GOD tells us about in HIS word . Jer 9:22 & Jer 4: 27 & afew more tell us .

He does not kill every human .
He comes against the ac,the devil,and that army arrayed to be destroyed.

He comes back with the redeemed as is vividly depicted in rev 19.

He is,in effect "repoing/repossessing" the earth.

You must get into purpose.
Rapture purpose = gathering of the bride

Second coming after the gt = repossing the earth.

First coming = redemption of man
Second coming = redemption of the earth.

Rapture is gathering of the bride,which is neither first or second coming.

If you look at Ruth you can see the vivid picture of the gentile bride,and a separate dynamic.... Redeeming the land inclusive of naomi (the jewish dynamic).

Ruth was not connected to the kinsman redeemer dynamic.

She was a COMPLETELY separate component.

The key to the rapture is the gentile bride/groom ingredient.

GT is specifically for the jewish covenant people.

Just as ruth and naomi were parallel "players" yet separate purpose and destiny,we see those types in end times.

It is not at all as some fear "those rapture escapists are in for a huge fall and will wish they were prepared for the trib"

Totally out in left field and out of step with purpose

By "ALL these things" do you mean to refer to His words in Luke 21:32?? [which "ALL" would INCLUDE v.24's events!]

but there is no gentile bride. the body of Christ includes both jews and gentiles

Yep Luke 21 and 9:27, Mark 9:1, and Mat 24, and in Mat 10, and 16, oh yea ad Mat 23.

That is what I'm referring to, and no amount of "in original Greek", or mental gymnastic can convince me that He meant the exact opposite of what He said. Trust me I have read at least many of the arguments you would send me, I have read the opposing view on this well and I am still open to anything I haven't heard yet, but no amount of "Greek+[bracketed words]+(parentheses)" can convince me that when Jesus says, "Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened", He meant "Way in the future, long after you are all dead, LONG after this generation has passed away, these things will then happen. By the way write this down, it may come in handy later."

See how dumb that looks on "paper"?
Yes that was one one the instances of Jesus saying this is recorded.

Well I appreciate you input and research, and I found this as a possible explanation,

The mark of the beast is the charagma. Charagma is the Greek word for mark.123 The charagma is a brand, etching, engraving, stamp or seal used to notarize official documents or documents of purchase, brand slaves as a mark of ownership, mark soldiers with the name of their general, and tattoo religious devotees of a particular god.124 It was also the name given to the image of the emperor stamped on currency. Thus each Roman coin was literally “marked” with the face and name of Caesar. The presence of the charagma or mark of Caesar on Roman coins and deeds of purchase made it impossible to buy or sell without it. Thus one could accurately say that Roman coins and deeds of purchase were a physical aspect of the mark of the beast since they were literally marked with the name and image of Caesar, the beast.

Interestingly, Ignatius an early Christian writer who lived from A.D. 35 to A.D. 107 seems to confirm the above interpretation concerning the fact that the physical mark of the beast was Roman money: “[F]or just as there are two coinages, the one of God and the other of the world, and each of them hath its proper stamp impressed upon it, the unbelievers the stamp of this world, but the faithful in love the stamp of God the Father through Jesus Christ[.]”125 Recall that charagma, the Greek word for mark, was the same word used to refer to the stamp on Roman currency.

Source https://revelationrevolution.org/revelation-13-a-preterist-commentary/

So see this there are also things out there that do explain this on the other side too. But I have to honestly say that these little details are kind of secondary to the bigger issues, for example there being no temple now. In comparison me know knowing exactly how Rev 13:17 worked out then is small beans to people waiting for a third temple to be built, but before I start saying to much in assumptions and ignorance, what exactly do you believe, because yesterday for the first time I met someone who believed the pre trib rapture, but not in an earthly 3rd temple. I have NO clue what belief she way referring to because it was new to me, but honestly I think we were speaking and going over scripture and they just got painted into a corner and didn't really know how to answer from there, but I want to ask from the jump with you so I don't waist time speaking about things you don't even believe. My point with this is that you can take this and go through the routine to find the reason why this matches your view, but have no problem with the temple/end of the AGE not world/Jesus telling the people there that ALL these things would take place in that generation. It baffles me how anyone can look at everything and think that the pre-trib view is more solid. Before I go any further I would like to hear from you what you believe so I'm not talking about things you don't even ascribe to.

This is all over the earth , & no one to buried , It's never happen all over the earth before . But it will when JESUS comes back .GOD BLESS

In post #1133,page #57 of this thread I stated my view on the temple. I have never been pre trib. I'm just reading along in the thread the same as you. What I do see is both preterism and dispensationism walking into a trap. That is the head received a deadly wound in ad70 and was in the pit then in 1948 the two horned beast Christian Zionism/Jewish Zionism healed that deadly wound and it ascended out of the pit (Rev. 17:8).

So any temple they build will be in a place where it ought not be, that is I am among the many Christians who are the temple of the Spirit of God and he dwells in me. In short the temple they will build denies the true temple and God will not dwell in it the Man of sin will. Afterwards Jesus my Lord who is the head of the building and those of his body will descend to earth and remove the temple men have built.