Not By Works

The whole counsel of God does not include pitting scripture against scripture. We need to properly harmonize scripture scripture in order to reach the proper conclusion on doctrine.

1 John 2:24 actually supports my argument. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you (descriptive of genuine believers) you will also abide in the Son and in the Father. *Also see 1 John 4:13.

Jez wonderin'.
You do know that "mocking and scoffing" using other names is still "mocking and scoffing." Right?

f. Your works don't matter because you can't lose your salvation.

The saved Galatians left.
You say 1 John 2:19 means they weren't saved.
That's pitting scripture against scripture.
My doctrine does not do that.

You left off the first part of the verse:

"24 As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning." - 1 John 2:24

That is not descriptive.

We know it's not a descriptive passage, just by the simple fact that the believing Galatians left. Apparently, 1 John 2:24 was very 'descriptive' of those genuine believers. Your doctrine pits scripture against scripture.

Well you have to admit it is pretty funny and ironic to state we who present the Gospel according to scripture and reality are being told that we have flesh eyes...

I am not mocking or scoffing...... I am trying desperately to shake you out of your false doctrine of "works for salvation"

Its been a WHILE since I posted this, PROBABLY almost a YEAR, time to whip it out again:

PROOF for Perseverance of the saints, eternal security, WHATEVER you want to call it:

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Jesus KNOWS THE SHEEP, the GOATS He never knew, not used to know.

Simple & effective

BONUS PROOF for those who say "Jesus will never cast you out but you can just leave", well first of all I'd like to say KEEP WALKING if you gonna out walk God's hand, but uhh, here is another few verses:

Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

That disqualifies even the DEVIL from separating us from God's love, because he is an angel, fallen one, but still an angel. Nor ANY OTHER CREATURE disqualifies every human EVER, persecution and tribulation wont do it either.

Read Romans 8 people!

That disqualifies even the DEVIL from separating us from God's love, because he is an angel, fallen one, but still an angel. Nor ANY OTHER CREATURE disqualifies every human EVER, persecution and tribulation wont do it either.

Read Romans 8 people!

I appreciate the heart and thumbs up but an answer would be even better, what should I do now?

I am thinking that is a broad question so I am not sure what you mean?

The Church, the body of Christ is never referred to as sheep. This is a reference for Jews. Paul never uses the term sheep in reference of the Church. We’re His body, not sheep.

What you "see" as works for salvation! Is "earnestly coveting."
1 Corinthians 12
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

Yet, tis y'all OSAS'ers that have been "decieved" into legalism, that "coveting" is a sin!

Jesus said it best!
"What's flesh is flesh!"
"What's Spirit is Spirit!"

Works do matter, very much, but OSAS do not see works as a matter of retaining salvation. There are plenty of reasons to do good works that don't include "working to stay secure". Love for God, gratitude for grace, being instructed by Grace, result of fruit of the Spirit, love of neighbor, brotherly love, agape love, concern for souls, seeing a need, loving the gospel, love, love, love, love, love

1 John 4:13

I keep teling you YOU CANT CHOOSE TO BELIEVE anything.
You just cant, either you believe it or you dont. If I tell you there is an invisible unicorn behind you, YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE IT no matter how hard you try.

I believe faith is given to me by GOD, you believe faith is something you need to whip out on your own and continue in it.

This is what happens when you dont read DESCRIPTIVE verses as such. You and @Chris1975 got the same problem, quoting verses from John's epistles and acting like all the perseverance of the saints or OSAS believers are just sitting there holding their seats going "OH NAWWH WE AINT NEVER HEARD OF THAT VERSE, WHAT? We need to love our brother NO WAY? Guess we were wrong all along!"

SURPRISE, we got ENTIRE bible commentaries, read mr JOHN GILL for example, he has a commentary on EVERY VERSE of the Bible, its free too, not saying the man is infallible but I bring him up to PROVE that there are people in our crew who have READ and COMMENTED on every verse, nothing comes as a surprise.

WHO WANTS TO go toe to toe on the internet in a theological battle? I think thats a bit safer than going toe to toe in a boxing ring with the GYPSY WARRIOR. You up for the theology debate bro? You OR Chris, y'all gonna quit on the stool!

I disagree! Im not a hyper-dispie so that dont work on me. I dont go by just what PAUL says. I go what the entire witness of Scripture says. Jesus says I have OTHER SHEEP not of this fold (Jews). Its one new man in Christ, Jew and Gentile included. I dont care for this Paul only gimmick.

I disagree! Im not a hyper-dispie so that dont work on me. I dont go by just what PAUL says. I go what the entire witness of Scripture says. Jesus says I have OTHER SHEEP not of this fold (Jews). Its one new man in Christ, Jew and Gentile included. I dont care for this Paul only gimmick.

I am thinking that is a broad question so I am not sure what you mean?