Not By Works

See, here is where you were pushing the Calvinist's view of this subject. Instead of being preserved by Christ despite unfaithfulness as you said earlier, now you are saying the unfaithful person was never saved to begin with.

In the passage he tells these believing, anointed people who know the truth that he's talking to to remain in Christ.

1 John 2:19 KJV
"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."

1 John 2:26-28 KJV
"26These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

28And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming."

That's an apparent contradiction in scripture. He telling true believers, who supposedly don't/can't leave because they are true believers (vs.19), to not be deceived and to abide in him, just as the truth they have has taught them to do (vs.26-28). But since this is the same author saying all these things in the same passage of scripture we know it's not a contradiction. It's a misinterpretation of vs. 19 on the part of once saved always saved doctrine.

Obviously, to keep John from contradicting himself, we can't interpret vs.19 as meaning 'each and every person who leaves the faith was never saved to begin with, no exceptions'. Vs.26-28 keep that from being what he means. He must be talking about a specific group of people and circumstances in vs.19 and not writing hard and fast doctrine.

Jesus when speaking with Paul said unto him, get behind me Satan. The Book of Matthew chapter 16

He spoke to peter

he said peter spoke satans words, not Jesus words

in john 6 jesus put judas in the group who did not believe

John 6 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him

Justification is gained by trusting in Jesus for the forgiveness of sin, and it is kept by continuing to trust in Jesus for the forgiveness of sin. You can't stop trusting in Jesus for justification and still have the benefit of Jesus in justification. So, are you saying this argument makes trusting in Jesus a works gospel? If so, giving us the verse that says that will be helpful to your case.

See, here is where you were pushing the Calvinist's view of this subject. Instead of being preserved by Christ despite unfaithfulness as you said earlier, now you are saying the unfaithful person was never saved to begin with.

In the passage he tells these believing, anointed people who know the truth that he's talking to to remain in Christ.

1 John 2:19 KJV
"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."

1 John 2:26-28 KJV
"26These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

28And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming."

That's an apparent contradiction in scripture. He telling true believers, who supposedly don't/can't leave because they are true believers (vs.19), to not be deceived and to abide in him, just as the truth they have has taught them to do (vs.26-28). But since this is the same author saying all these things in the same passage of scripture we know it's not a contradiction. It's a misinterpretation of vs. 19 on the part of once saved always saved doctrine.

Obviously, to keep John from contradicting himself, we can't interpret vs.19 as meaning 'each and every person who leaves the faith was never saved to begin with, no exceptions'. Vs.26-28 keep that from being what he means. He must be talking about a specific group of people and circumstances in vs.19 and not writing hard and fast doctrine.

https://beta.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=+John+6&version=ESV;MOUNCE

Jesus said in verse 70, “Did I not choose you, the twelve? And yet one of you is a devil.”

Jesus chose even Judas knowing he is a devil. Whom he later told to go and do what he must do and do it quickly.
How would we receive our Salvation through the blood of Christ were it not for the cross?

Eternal is forever, if it can be lost or forfeit, it is not eternal

god did not promise of give us conditional life as you are preaching

If you drive a car that will run forever only for awhile does that mean that car really does not run forever? I think what that means is you are no longer in a car that runs forever. So it is with eternal life. Having it doesn't mean you'll always have it no matter what. It means what you have, while you have it, will never come to an end. That's why you and I should hang on to it by continuing to trust in Jesus for justification.


Eternal life most certainly is conditional.
It is conditional on trusting in Jesus.
What it is not conditional on is earning it through works of righteousness.
Don't confuse the two.

Next time you hear a pastor say eternal life is not conditional on anything at all, set him straight.

James 2:14-26. Faith without works is dead

We have faith and from having faith we do works. The quality and quantity of our works does not save us. God's grace is what saves us. The idea is that we strive to live how Jesus taught us. Yes, we are sinners and will fall but are we striving is the question. Let us use an example from our favorite sin of fornication. We know it is wrong to fornicate. What do we do to remove and limit ourselves from falling to this sin? Are we striving? If we are striving, then we can trust in God's love and mercy even if we fall, as long as we get back up and keep striving. Now let us say we have faith in Jesus and that He has purchased for us eternal life. We know it is wrong to fornicate but we do it anyway because we have faith and believe we are saved. The point here is that we are not striving. So faith without works is dead. We cannot have faith, yet go on enjoying ourselves in our sin and believe we are saved.
John 14:15
If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

The key for us as sinners is to strive.

What exactly are striving over?

And.... what happens to God's children if they DON'T strive?

Yep

he chose him to walk But judas still has to believe to be saved,

and he served a purpose

he is called the son of perdition, the antichrist has the same title,

The Book of Luke chapter 22 verse 3.

That would never have happened if judas was actually saved.

How otherwise would Jesus have met his mission on the cross?

That’s why he chose judas, even knowing judas would never believe. Just like he chose Pharoah against moses.

So that we do not misunderstand one another, to whom do you refer when you say, "he"?

That’s why he chose judas, even knowing judas would never believe. Just like he chose Pharoah against moses.

1 Peter 2:25
Once you were like sheep who wandered away. But now you have turned to your Shepherd, the Guardian of your souls.

Those who believe we can lose our Salvation when the LORD our God is the guardian of our souls , can you explain who is more powerful to do such a thing ?
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