WHEN IS THE RAPTURE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE GT?

It is like you are oblivious that the bride has become the wife in heaven

You just posted the verse

Thanks

Genesis 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
Ezekiel 3:16 And it came to pass at the end of seven days, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Ezekiel 3:17 Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me.
Ezekiel 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Ezekiel 3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity but thou hast delivered thy soul.
Ezekiel 3:20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Ezekiel 3:21 Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.



Genesis 11:2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar and they dwelt there.
Genesis 11:3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
Genesis 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
Genesis 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
Genesis 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Genesis 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
Genesis 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth and they left off to build the city.
Genesis 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

What were the people trying to do? Save themselves. Much like building a false doctrine to save yourself works today. God doesn't like it.

You wish to escape being tested, troubled, persecuted, losing you life, and/or being a soldier for Christ, making a stand for God. It is not the gospel of Christ. It is not the way of God.

You have set yourself to be worthy. You have yourself going to heaven for a wedding in the middle of a war there. You have a marriage taking place before all his enemies are made his footstool. You have the church going "away" when THE WORD says it will be here. You have churches that teach false doctrine, have no truth, suffer abominations and all the rest of the evils they accept, AS THE BRIDE OF CHRIST. You love your "doctrine" more than the Word of God. I have pointed out the truth in Gods Word. What you do with it is up to you.

DeighAnn,

You have set yourself to be worthy. I’m worthy because Christ is worthy and I’m in Christ. You have yourself going to heaven for a wedding in the middle of a war there. Not me, Scripture. You have a marriage taking place before all his enemies are made his footstool. Not me Scripture. You have the church going "away" when THE WORD says it will be here. Not me, Scripture. You have churches that teach false doctrine, have no truth, suffer abominations and all the rest of the evils they accept, AS THE BRIDE OF CHRIST. I’m part of the bride of Christ, are you? You love your "doctrine" more than the Word of God. I have pointed out the truth in Gods Word. You have only pointed out that you do not know how to rightly divide the Church from Israel. What you do with it is up to you.

I agree with you to let the meaning of the words designed by the Holy Spirit be the guide, just one word. I have a great example.

Satan loves for us to use the word rapture a word not found in the bible, much the same as the word easter, which in itself seems so small a thing at first. But when we study its effects....

Acts 12:3 And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.)
Acts 12:4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him intending after (Easter) to bring him forth to the people.

3957 pascha
the Passover, the Passover supper or lamb
The high Holy Day of Christianity. The day Jesus became our Passover.

One of the translators (a kenite, no doubt) and actually took the word PASSOVER and changed it to easter.

And where in the hell did they get the word easter? Well, if you look at how easter is now celebrated, it reveals its truth.

so I went and looked it up and quickly found this
"Eastre, also spelt Easter, Ostara and Oestre celebrated at the Vernal Equinox (first day of Spring), approx. 21st March.

The Goddess is in her aspect of mother to be. She is Eastre, the Teutonic Goddess of Fertility. Her symbol is the egg, symbolising fertility in nature and rebirth from the long winter months. The seeds are now sown, ready to grow and ripen. The Goddess is fertile, rich with promise and potential life. (It is from the word "oestre" that we get the word "oestrogen" - the female hormone).
To the Saxons she was Ostara, in myth she is said to have amused children by turning her bird into a rabbit, the rabbit then laid coloured eggs much to the delight of the children".


And how many Christains now celebrate "easter" INSTEAD of Passover? or mix it up just a little bit. Do you think it makes God happy??

Rapture wants makes that has become "part" of the Word for many. Just as false as easter. I have slipped and used it a few times, God forgive me.

False again. The King James Bible translators did not have some sort of a collective "senior moment", and though they translated the Greek word paska as Passover some 28 times, suddenly they had some sort of a memory slip and make it Easter this one time in Acts 12:4. And they also knew how to spell English words correctly. There is no way that they really meant to say Eostre instead of Easter.

If the King James Bible had read: "intending after Ishtar" or "intending after Eoestre", they might have a case for their argument. But it clearly does not read that way. It says: "intending after EASTER to bring him forth to the people."

Let's look at it from the Greek side of things. The Greek word used here is clearly πάσχα or paska. There is NO way on God's green earth that the Greek word πάσχα can possibly mean anything remotely like "Eoestre" or "Ishtar". The King James Bible translators were not morons. They knew exactly what this word means and it means EASTER, particularly when it applies to the yearly celebration of the Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, and that is what they wrote. The second major problem with this view is that Herod was an Edomite and probably a Roman citizen, but by no stretch of the imagination was he an Anglo-Saxon.

So it would be more than a little difficult to have a Roman/Edomite king in the first century celebrating an Anglo-Saxon pagan goddess who was never acknowledged among the Romans and in fact did not even exist until some 4 to 5 centuries later. About the only thing the term Easter and the Anglo-Saxon Eoestre could possibly have in common is that they are both derived from the Middle English word "east" meaning simply the East. Aside from that, it's a theory totally devoid of and contrary to all known historical facts.

Furthermore, there was no need for believers to celebrate the Jewish Passover since the Lamb of God has come, thus the word Easter signifying the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.

What did I say "you have set yourself worthy" to? A pre tribulation rapture. You can give me NO Scripture of a pre tribulation marriage. You can give me NO Scripture of a pre tribulation gathering of the church. IF YOU CAN THEN DO IT. If you are going to give me the "keep you from" don't bother because GOD DOESN'T SAY HOW HE WILL KEEP YOU FROM, OUT OF, ETC. as far as "pre" anything, man set that as being the WAY, not the Word.

The word in the GREEK is 3957. pascha IT WAS NEVER EASTER, EVER IN THE ORIGINAL TEXT.

Yes, I know this. Easter was chosen by the KJV translators to show that a definite change has taken place. Before the resurrection, it was a Jewish Passover. After the resurrection, it signifies the resurrection of the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ.

Easter signifies Christ our passover. Easter is the Christian celebration.

1 Corinthians 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

The Lamb opens the seals in Revelation chapter 6. That tells us the seals are not as some say just natural disasters and man's wrath against the Church, these are opened by the Lamb, the Lamb is Christ, Christ is God, it is the wrath of God, wrath of the Lamb.
We are not appointed unto wrath, this proves Jesus will come again to gather the Church before the seals are opened, because otherwise we would suffer the wrath of the Lamb, which we are not appointed to.

Furthermore if we look into the book of Revelation chapter 5, we see there are already people in heaven:

Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

These people are already redeemed, which would have to include resurrection bodies, in my opinion, but on this point I am not dogmatic. I know there is much debate about the identity of these people and the 24 elders.

Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
4 being symbolic of earth, they start the action that brings about the end

Revelation 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

The winds are stopped, till the sealing is done though there is a fixed time set to start.


Who is sealed?
Ezekiel 37:1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,
Ezekiel 37:2 And caused me to pass by them round about and, behold, there were very many in the open valley and, lo, they were very dry.
They were Spiritually dead having NO seal of God
Ezekiel 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.
Ezekiel 37:4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.
Ezekiel 37:5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live
come back to the truth
Ezekiel 37:6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
Ezekiel 37:7 So I prophesied as I was commanded and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.
Ezekiel 37:8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above but there was no breath in them.
Ezekiel 37:9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.
Ezekiel 37:10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.
Ezekiel 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost we are cut off for our parts.
Ezekiel 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

Who is Israel? The church is made up of the scattered 10 tribes of Jacob-Israel, and whomsoever would.

ALL OF THE SEALS ARE GIVEN before a trump even sounds. The Trumps sound to execute the command
The seals are the knowledge of God.
And the 4 winds can not commence until all the servants of God have received them.


Who is the only one who can give the seal? THE LAMB OF GOD, THE HOLY SPIRIT
The seals are put forth in ORDER OF IMPORTANCE, NOT CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER.
You must receive the first seal.

Revelation 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse and he that sat on him had a bow and a crown was given unto him and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
This bow is a FAKE BOW, MADE OF FABRIC. The "he" is the antichrist.
To know the antichrist is coming first.
He is coming to deceive those who remain "dry bones", the spiritually dead, those without the seal of God.
This knowledge will rightly divide.
Gospel armor will "keep you from" the deception and lies from Satan and his followers.

Revelation 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
Revelation 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
Revelation 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

A FIXED TIME
Revelation 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the
third part of men
Revelation 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand and I heard the number of them.
SATANS ARMY
Revelation 9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
Revelation 9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
SUPERNATURAL WITH supernatural power, but we have power over them. What is coming out of their mouths??? lies
Revelation 9:19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
Lies and Deception. Stings a soul

But do the sealed of God have to worry??
Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Luke 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes even so, Father for so it seemed good in thy sight.


James 4:5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
James 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
James 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
James 4:9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.


When you have the seal of God in your forehead Satan can't touch you, no matter where you are or what is going on around you

Falls under do not add or take away ESPECIALLY IF IT IS USED FOR THE SPECIFIC PURPOSE TO CHANGE THE MEANING. We know in translation things were not as exact, but they tried. This would fall under a completely different issue. AND WHAT IS HAPPENING ON PASSOVER IN THIS DAY AND AGE ONLY PROVES WE are not to mess with the Word of God.

Do you think we should celebrate the OT Passover and not our Passover Jesus Christ? This would go along with your failure to rightly divide the Church from Israel.

I think it should be celebrated as the High Holy Day of Christianity with its due respect. Not with bunnies and eggs and egg hunts but a time to go over what the Word and the Passover is all about to and for us.

Why don't you rightly divide the Church from Israel?

Who is the Church? Christians, made up of Israel as Jesus said "I am not sent but unto he lost sheep of the house of Israel". Also preached to the Gentiles by Paul, so whomsoever would.
Who or where is Israel? either the Nation of the land originally given or the land which they now reside or the descendants of Jacob renamed Israel by God, or the House of Israel as opposed to the House of Judah or part of House of Jacob.

The seals are just the knowledge of what is going to happen. That is why the four winds have to stop until all of Gods servants are sealed. It is that sealing that will "keep you from". No, we are not appointed to Wrath, but as a companion in tribulation, yes. You seem to think the book of Revelation is written in chronological order. It isn't. It bounces between was, is and is to come.

Pray tell then, who can make any sense of it? Its the book of Revelation, something revealed. Not something thats just bouncing between was is and is to come and we can't make heads or tails of it

Yes the word says the 5 foolish segment of the church will be here for the gt.

But as you state for your testimony,they and you will be martered...also during the gt

It says 144k are sealed. That is all.

Go back and re read it

Why?
Because the time of the gentiles is complete.
The trib is jacobs trouble...israels trouble.
So no need to even mention the church.
God's attention is solely towards israel.

You got some major,major flaws in not discerning the purpose of the great tribulation.

It's like no matter what...you can not,or will not go there(discernment breakdown big time)

All the apostles but John were martyred.
Killed by satan.

They were all sealed.

You even predict yourself as a maryter.

....besides that,the flying scorpions are forbidden to sting the 144k. If it is so automatic,there would not need to be any admonition to skip over the 144k