Should wine be used for the Lord's Supper?
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Materially I have God's word. My favorite translation is ESV. I can go with NASB or even the dreaded NIV too.
KJV is not without error. If you claim that, then you are naive. There are even a few scribal errors in the original Masoretic manuscripts we have.
By the way, Jesus and the apostles quoted from the Septuagint as if it is authoritative too. Do I think the Septuagint has some problems? Yes.
But they are not material.
KJV is not without error. If you claim that, then you are naive. There are even a few scribal errors in the original Masoretic manuscripts we have.
By the way, Jesus and the apostles quoted from the Septuagint as if it is authoritative too. Do I think the Septuagint has some problems? Yes.
But they are not material.
Jesus is literally called "THE Stumbling Stone" and His strength is made perfect in weakness.
scripture says wine that gladdens the heart is a blessing from God ((Psalm 104:15)) and that strong drink they sis a comfort to those who are perishing ((Proverbs 31:6))
Ephesians 5 tells us, do not be drunk on wine, but rather be filled with the Spirit. Proverbs 23 tells us that those who are drunk are beaten and struck but do not notice, and do not feel it. Matthew 5 says that when we ((as when we walk in the Spirit)) are persecuted and reviled for His sake, we are blessed - in like figure, if we hold fast in our faith, as though unharmed. the drunkard loves the drunkenness because of this, as we also ought to be grateful to God for His Salvation.
Isaiah 65:8 describes new wine found in the grapes that have begun to naturally ferment on the vine as having a blessing in them, saying, for the sake of that blessing - which is fermentation - they should not be destroyed, and making a direct analogy to the servants of the Lord, that we too will be spared because of the blessing in us.
Isaiah 1:22 compares watered down, diluted wine to corruption.
i don't see your reasoning here holding water - or, as it were become, holding wine. it seems to me that the symbolism and revelation in the scripture is the opposite.
scripture says wine that gladdens the heart is a blessing from God ((Psalm 104:15)) and that strong drink they sis a comfort to those who are perishing ((Proverbs 31:6))
Ephesians 5 tells us, do not be drunk on wine, but rather be filled with the Spirit. Proverbs 23 tells us that those who are drunk are beaten and struck but do not notice, and do not feel it. Matthew 5 says that when we ((as when we walk in the Spirit)) are persecuted and reviled for His sake, we are blessed - in like figure, if we hold fast in our faith, as though unharmed. the drunkard loves the drunkenness because of this, as we also ought to be grateful to God for His Salvation.
Isaiah 65:8 describes new wine found in the grapes that have begun to naturally ferment on the vine as having a blessing in them, saying, for the sake of that blessing - which is fermentation - they should not be destroyed, and making a direct analogy to the servants of the Lord, that we too will be spared because of the blessing in us.
Isaiah 1:22 compares watered down, diluted wine to corruption.
i don't see your reasoning here holding water - or, as it were become, holding wine. it seems to me that the symbolism and revelation in the scripture is the opposite.
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If I may comment, the situation all those years back then was different to what it is today. Only the boys went to school and only they understood the language that was used in the service. This is why the women gossiped among themselves, and this is why Paul told them to learn from their husbands so they could teach the children, hence the hierarchy that we read about.
The errors are often down to lack of understanding on our part. Words had several meanings the same as today. For example day did not always mean 24 hours and adam meant man, it was not a name. If something is confusing, there could be a simple explanation. Rather than guess, a little research might be good. 
why would someone be destroying a plump, juicy, ripe grape?
they wouldn't; they'd be thinking of destroying a grape that's over-ripe. they'd go to pick grapes, get a cluster of them, and then pick out the ones that are bursting and smell a little funky. but these are the ones the scripture says have "a blessing in it" - they've begun to ferment.
they wouldn't; they'd be thinking of destroying a grape that's over-ripe. they'd go to pick grapes, get a cluster of them, and then pick out the ones that are bursting and smell a little funky. but these are the ones the scripture says have "a blessing in it" - they've begun to ferment.
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Had terrible issues with my PC and wasn't able to continue the post. So trying with a borrowed PC. Here are a few verses to make my point.
Pr.- Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
P.r- 29 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes?They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.
Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.
1 Tim. - Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine
There are other verses as well. As I said, for you this may not be an issue but for someone who has an addiction it can be a huge issue. A person doesn't know they're an alcoholic till they take the first sip. Getting a buzz may not both you but for me, I would be drunk if I had a glass of wine. Be sensitive to others.