Paper Money and Fiat Currency is the Mark of the Beast

Do you not understand that the 4th and last beast of Daniel is Roman, implying that the beast of revelation must be Roman? Wake up people.

The reference does relate to Solomon but all the rest is speculation. Revelation contains types and symbols from the OT because the
Bible is Gods message to humanity throughout the ages about our sinful condition and Gods plan to bring us back in fellowship with him. Its message is spiritual not material. John and his first readers had no idea what a bank note or credit card was, but they did know
about our sinful condition and what became of Solomon.

That is indeed not my understanding of the Fourth Beast.

if money is the mark of the beast what's this doing in the Bible?


and why did Jesus tell Peter to fetch a shekel from a fish's mouth to pay the temple tax in Matthew 17?

Ok if folks are concerned about any currency they have hanging around . They are welcome to send it to me . I will help you out .
Blessings
Bill

If you are suggesting the barter system is better than the capitalist system, in theory yes it is. But is it possible? If the barter system was done on earth, much in the way of the 1930s film “Our Daily Bread”, where goods are made for use instead of profit, then that would truly be the Kingdom of Heaven on earth.


But the capitalist system is not for the good will of men on earth and egalitarianism, but for profit right now, so how do you suggest people live without money? Do you? How?


All the while there are corrupt men on earth, who are in power and are greedy, this isn't possible. Even if you lived on a small holding and produced things just for your own family, you have to pay taxes justs to live in a house? I am not saying the barter system isn't right - I am saying that money is needed on earth to live and if no one needed money, then the Kingdom of Heaven has come.


During the Great Depression of the 1930s, the man and true socialist (and idealist) Upton Sinclair tried to introduce this system, because people were starving, while the capitalist system told farmers to set fire to fields of crops, oranges, wheat etc, due to overproduction while the poor rifled through bins for food - obviously morally wrong and disgusting. Profit is put before the goodwill of men on earth and to “keep the books” right in the capitalist system they would rather waste food then feed the world. It might be a “Beast System” but there are those that benefit from that and are greedy. The poor may always be with us, but the greedy are even more evident.


There were empty houses while there were homeless. There was plenty of food rotting while people starved. Yes we would all like to see how people trade goods for no money, but that takes cooperation, community and good will amongst men and women being led by common sense. But Upton Sinclair failed as the propaganda and smear campaign against him was so horrific that it put fear into people while his “idea” was basically a simple one, but one in which the capitalists and rich of the world would never allow. The last thing they wanted is for men to make things for themselves, cutting out the “landlords”.


Anyone who can find the film “Our Daily Bread” would do well to watch it - but it really is the Kingdom of Heaven on earth if the whole world was like this as its obvious there is enough resources in the world for everybody - it's just the distribution of the wealth of the earth that is wrong, not because there isn't enough. Solomon was told not to build up wealth and many horses but he did - the next generation after him were bankrupt.


Having said that, there are a few small towns in Europe that do the barter system and it goes on with people under the radar - not as a system everyone recognises but only as a “help” to get away from the system - not completely as they all need stuff and resources cost money.


And if you are suggesting that people can live without money - then tell me how you get “set up” to do this without the cooperation of others around to produce this model, as people need to heat their houses, pay taxes and work for money to do those things. In order to live off the land, you need your own house and land to start with. This isn't free?


They still need police, medical services, rubbish disposal and industry is the only thing that provides that. Do you think that the economic current system of the world is going to be dumped willingly? There maybe a few I know who have tried this, set up small holdings, home schooling, make their own clothes and live off the land but usually they need money for things in the end as they usually need help for something and “help” isn't free unless people get paid (unless the Kingdom of Heaven is on Earth). They usually quit and have to get a job out of desperation unless they live very very simply and usually basically.


Show me one example of any place that lives without money that hasn't been shut down by the capitalists? Even Jesus said to give to Caesar what is Caesars?


Much as “living without money” is a wonderful concept - its idealism and I say to you that this is when the Kingdom of Heaven comes down to Earth and not before as it takes all men to use common sense, common interest, good will toward one and another and above all co-operation and where is that in the world now? Anyone that has tried this before, through all the will in the world has been smeared as a communist, revolutionary or troublemaker as there are too many greedy people in the world who want to keep hold of all their wealth and power while others go without. Satan runs this place and until the Kingdom comes to earth there will always be greed in power.


I have a fair idea what the beast is in people's right hand and on their forehead as its obvious but I wouldn't dare to say.


I wish we did have the barter system - but there is only one question in all politics and all economic systems as they would all work if they were done correctly. The one question is how do you stop corruption? God knows.


If you think “money” or paper money or fiat money is the beast, then that would wipe out most people on earth as being eligible for salvation as we all need money to live. How do you pay for your internet or phone to even post on this forum? Do you trade apples and oranges with your internet provider? Isn't a labourer worth his pay?


This film was banned in California after Upton Sinclair put himself up for Governor of California in the 1930s as the Establishment didn't want the farmers getting any ideas of making things for use and not for profit.

Because money before was gold or silver........

Because you are not in the truth and lack understanding. From history we know the 1st beast was Babylon, the 2nd beast was Medo-Persia, the 3rd beast was Greece, and the 4th beast was Rome. Even in the book of Daniel itself it tells us which specific kingdoms were the first 3, so it is not difficult to know which the 4th was. Only someone ignorant who knows nothing regarding the book of Daniel and history itself would say that the 4th kingdom was not Rome, and that is why the prostitute of Babylon is seated on the seven mountains of Rome, because she is related to the 4th kingdom of Daniel, which is Rome.

You will generally find the real prophets sit back and don't say much, just bide there time. Counter intuitive I know. The false ones are very noisy like banging symbols and drums.

Have you ever considered that Rome is just the Third Beast given that the Romans are racially the same as the Greeks (biblical Javan), had the same religion, culture, and the historical connection via the Trojan War? As for the book of Daniel; have you considered that the 3 beasts; the lion, bear, and leopard have their times prolonged? Have you considered that the final beast is something diverse and different from the other three beasts?

Have you considered that there are in fact not 7 mountains/hills in Rome, but rather there are 9 hills? Even if you disqualify the Janiculum hill for reason of being on the other side of the river (I'd note that the ancient Romans did not disqualify Janiculum Hill) that still leaves 8 hills, not 7. Have you considered that the authors of your theory are being either ignorant or deceitful by purposefully removing the Velian hill and the Janiculum hill from the map?

Do you underatand personal pronouns....HE, HIM, ETC.........it is not Rome, JOHN knew of ROME and even today ROMAN construction still identifies ROME AS ROME NOR IS HE ROMAN.....JOHN SAID IT WAS A MYSTERY CITY, a MEGA CITY and it has characteristics that DO NOT FIT ROME.......geesh..........DANIEL 10 and 11 tells EXACTLY WHERE HE COMES FROM and ROME is not it!

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:

Faith (God's) the eternal not seen. Not by sight after the temporal the corruptible things of this world

Its simply the sign of unconverted mankind. His number assigned is 666 as a beast of the field. Created from the lifeless spiritless dust. No literal mark or any other way of recognizing. physically.

What's next new innovation 'retina identification? DNA sniffers? No need to invent a outward sign. He will come in the twinkling of the eye as a thief in the night.

It is another of signs of those of the evil generation, natural man 666 (no faith) They today literally create signs seen as a false warning.. Jesus said no outward sign would be given save the one that was fulfilled as the Son of man Jesus .

Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: "they seek a sign"; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

Cain the marked man who represents unconverted mankind represents the work of the antichrists. . killing the first believer Abel. It reveals the pagan form of government. . the religion of all atheist. Kill the mis-perceived competition. . . out of sight out of mind. Like Saul one of the many antichrists that were here in Acts 22, before his conversion punishing men and children for not putting there faith in the temporal corrupted things seen. Again no faith in respect to the eternal things of God not seen

Anti-christ's the many that are here under the Sun are simply those influenced by the father of lies. Also like that of Peter in Mathew 16 :27-28. Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy

In first John 2:27-28 we are warned of them that do say we need a man seen, the temporal to teach us.

They simply have no desire to rightly divide the word of God using to proper prescriptions, as literalist.

Make me wonder that when Christ does come on the last day will he find faith in respect the eternal not seen or men walking after the temporal corrupted as that seen.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

So you dont use any money yourself? HUH?

The Beast is directly referred to as the Assyrian.

That is correct, I do not, I do have even have one penny to my name.

No.

No, because the Greeks were one empire, then the Romans were another empire, and to this day the Roman rulership is still a great influence in the world. Only an ignorant person denies this truth, because he would rather deny the obvious truth than be inconvenienced by the obvious truth.

If the prophets of old just sat back and said nothing they would not have been killed. It is because they spoke the truth against the evil of their generation that they were hated by their peers and put to death by them. So in likewise it is with me, I speak to you people the truth regarding the money of today, and even regarding the Torah in general, and you people despise me and ridicule me, just like the prophets of old were despised and ridiculed. You people are so lost that you don't even realize how lost you are, which is reflected in how you treat those who are actually telling you the truth, because you yourselves are not in the truth, so you despise those that are.

Incorrect. The word "mark" in the Greek text is "χάραγμα" (charagma). It's definitions are:

1. A stamp, an imprinted mark
1.A. Of the mark stamped on the forehead or the right hand as the badge of the followers of the Antichrist
1.B. The mark branded upon horses
2. Thing carved, sculpture, graven work
2.A. Of idolatrous images

It is a literal mark that shall be received. Interestingly, pagan cultures in Europe in ancient times, particularly those of mixed origin (hybrid beings) would engrave a mark on their foreheads; a crescent moon. The concept of a physical mark representing the spiritual seal of the individual. To receive the literal mark of he Beast is to openly reject Elohim and that individual will not be among those seal in their foreheads by Him.

Revelation 9:4 - And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.