Paper Money and Fiat Currency is the Mark of the Beast

[posthuman]

she rules over all the kings of the earth through money, for all the central banks of the world issue her form of money to all the inhabitants of the world, which is paper money and fiat currency,

printed paper money first appeared in China in the Tang dynasty, at least 500 years before it was ever used in Europe.
the first paper money in Europe was printed in 1661 in Sweden. for at least 100 years, by that time, Sweden was completely Protestant, not Catholic, and anyone living in Sweden who was Catholic or converted to Catholicism was punished by exile. in fact, the king of Sweden just a few decades before Sweden started using paper currency went to war against the HRE to defend Protestantism against presumed Papal authority - war for thirty straight years.

so..

i have no idea why you call it 'her money' -- did not originate with the Vatican, or even in Europe, and when it arrived in Europe some 600 years later, it was printed in a proudly Protestant and extremely anti-Vatican country.

 

[dcontroversal]

This is very funny!!

I better leave this idiotic thread before I say something that will get me banned......this is just pure religious poppycock!!

 

[posthuman]

Fiat money has perceived value, but not intrinsic value, because ultimately it is merely paper.

gold has no intrinsic value unless you are building electronic circuits or solar panels etc.
i don't see how you explanation explains its use in scripture ((in the law, no less)) and why it doesn't match history ??

 

[gaviriachristian]

I honestly do not know if I should laugh or vomit sometimes when I read some things posted.....Money today is not real money and ROMAN MONEY was real Money.....talk about circular reasoning and words spoken out if ignorance..........He just condemned ALL of Christianity by this ridiculous thread.......

I used money yesterday to buy gas to drive 180 miles round trip to pick up a friend from the hospital that needed a ride.....oooooooooo I used the mark of the beast.......and then again to buy food at Sonic....double cursed....h---.....I used money to pay a guy that done dozer work for me....holy crap.....I gave money to the Lord's churches which they used to pay missionaries.....and pastor's salaries....and electric for the church buildings.......quadruple cursed to hell I guess......

It is precisely how the second beast of Revelation causes everyone rich and poor and great and small to receive the mark, through fiat currency itself and through the ignorance of the world who do not know the command of God that forbids this form of money. And that is why you people will be condemned by it, because of your ignorance of the commands of God and refusal to obey them even when the truth is plainly given to you. You people rightly deserve what is coming against you. And then you will remember that I told you the truth, and will regret not having believed me.

 

[UnderGrace]

Paper money is not "just money". You have no understanding what fiat currency is. Should I bother to explain? I will, but not for your sake, because for the sake of others reading these comments, because I already know my pearls are being wasted on dogs who do not perceive the value of pearls. This is how paper money impoverishes the world:

As paper money is devalued day by day, the savings and incomes of the inhabitants of the world are worth less and less day by day, and as their incomes lag behind the devaluation then prices around them go up, which then causes them to need to enter into debt, and the debt is not given to them for free, it is given to them at interest, and so in this way those who issue this form of money become the owners of everything, while leaving the inhabitants of the world impoverished through devaluation, debt, then interest, which is why in Egypt what they make in one day in minimum wage in their paper money is sufficient enough to buy food for one day in America, it is the greatest ponzi scheme of thievery the world has ever seen.

So why does this form of money exist then? Because of dumb grunts who have no understand of what true money is, which is gold and silver, so they let themselves be subjected to this financial system.

I actually think you have no understanding of "fiat" currency.

And you are conflating separate issues..... inflation can occur in a gold back system as well. smh

 

[Hevosmies]

Again: HOW do you have internet, housing, food? @gaviriachristian

 

[garee]

Incorrect. The word "mark" in the Greek text is "χάραγμα" (charagma). It's definitions are:

1. A stamp, an imprinted mark
1.A. Of the mark stamped on the forehead or the right hand as the badge of the followers of the Antichrist
1.B. The mark branded upon horses
2. Thing carved, sculpture, graven work
2.A. Of idolatrous images

It is a literal mark that shall be received. Interestingly, pagan cultures in Europe in ancient times, particularly those of mixed origin (hybrid beings) would engrave a mark on their foreheads; a crescent moon. The concept of a physical mark representing the spiritual seal of the individual. To receive the literal mark of he Beast is to openly reject Elohim and that individual will not be among those seal in their foreheads by Him.

Revelation 9:4 - And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Men receive condemnation because they do not have the faith needed to believe God Those who believe not are already under the judgment .John 3:18 he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.) Because they have no received the love of God's truth the gospel.

Yes and the Catholic with ashes put the mark of the cross on their forehead to confirm something .A way of self edification, self righteousness. . Many pagan tradition follow after what the eyes see as those who do not walk by faith, the unseen, eternal.

It is no more a literal mark than the seal (Revelation 9:4) The mark of conversion that by faith( the unseen eternal) replaces the mark of unconverted mankind 666.

The number of unconverted mankind created as a beast of the field is 666. It is reckoned by Cain or Esau. They as atheists saw no values in the things not seen (faith).

Esau sold is birth rite for a cup of soup. The buying and selling is not inspect to what the eyes sees. (food and shelter) But rather spiritual truth like that of Abel .He did not sell out the gospel. Like Cain (out of sight out of mind) Kill the misperceived competition. (natural man, no faith, nothing nada)

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

 

[dcontroversal]

gold has no intrinsic value unless you are building electronic circuits or solar panels etc.
i don't see how you explanation explains its use in scripture ((in the law, no less)) and why it doesn't match history ??

Jesus said the religious Pharisees were blind.......explains much amd speaks volumes when it comes to religion and religious poppycock!

 

[posthuman]

this form of money is evil,

Jesus says the love of money is the root of all evil, not the money itself, or only some forms of the money??

 

[UnderGrace]

I better leave this idiotic thread before I say something that will get me banned......this is just pure religious poppycock!!

I hear yah....
... do not visit his website ... it is very infuriating.

 

[dcontroversal]

Again: HOW do you have internet, housing, food? @gaviriachristian

He has not answered how he gets peanut butter either to feed the poor, or the bread.....does he carry them in his hands and pass them out.....how far does he walk....what about food....does he live off of air and draw moisture from the humidity.....clothes, shoes, doctors, where does he live, how is he accessing the internet, and the list grows expedentially......

 

[dcontroversal]

I hear yah....
... do not visit his website ... it is very infuriating.

My eyes would probably burn out of my head while stroking out if I did.....

 

[UnderGrace]

He has not answered how he gets peanut butter either to feed the poor, or the bread.....does he carry them in his hands and pass them out.....how far does he walk....what about food....doea he live off of air and draw moisture from the humidity.....clothes, shoes, doctors, where does he live, how is he accessing the internet, and the list grows expedentially......

So true!

All of that is based on money changing hands somewhere along the line so his hands are not completely clean.

 

[dcontroversal]

So true!

All of that is based on money changing hands somewhere along the line so his hands are not completely clean.

Do people think these absolutes through.....no......The whole premise of this thread has more holes than a minnow bucket for air.........

 

[UnderGrace]

My eyes would probably burn out of my head while stroking out if I did.....

Okay I stopped with the coffee but now I have tea to clean from all over my desk!!

 

[Hevosmies]

He has not answered how he gets peanut butter either to feed the poor, or the bread.....does he carry them in his hands and pass them out.....how far does he walk....what about food....doea he live off of air and draw moisture from the humidity.....clothes, shoes, doctors, where does he live, how is he accessing the internet, and the list grows expedentially......

Im not holding my breath for an answer.

This guy is a BUM! How he even dared to put this laughable teaching out to the public is UNBELIEVABLE. This guy has a website promoting his false doctrines, including this one. I pity the guys who actually waste time and rot their braincells reading that drivel. Just the basic premise is so laughable that I feel im stuck in an ALTERNATIVE universe, in some sort of a VACUUM. This has got to be a joke. NO WAY is this guy for real.

 

[gaviriachristian]

gold has no intrinsic value unless you are building electronic circuits or solar panels etc.
i don't see how you explanation explains its use in scripture ((in the law, no less)) and why it doesn't match history ??

Gold does indeed have intrinsic value, because it is agreed by everyone that it has value and it is rare enough to be valuable and it is difficult to extract from the earth, and its value is based on weight, which is why it was used for thousands of years as money, whereas paper is very common and not as valuable, and through paper the banks issue a form of money based on a perceived value of the paper they issue, not the actual value of the paper, for a $1 bill weighs no more or no less than a $100 bill, but a perceived value that they give it, which through time, they devalue deliberately to then cause the savings and incomes of the inhabitants of the world to lag behind the devaluation, which in turn causes prices to go up around them, which in turn causes them to enter into debt, which is then not given to them for free by the same people that issue this form of money, but charged with interest. It is a ponzi scheme of epic proportions. That is why it is evil. Even unbelievers know this. This isn't rocket science.

 

[dcontroversal]

Okay I stopped with the coffee but now I have tea to clean from all over my desk!!

Hahahhaha well......I mean.....this thread should be moved to a new catagory......CC HUMOR thread....or maybe a CC JOKE THREAD......or......I am as dense as lead thread...........

 

[posthuman]

for it is written, "you shall have righteous weights and quantities", which paper money and fiat currency is not.

Dishonest scales are an abomination to the LORD, ​

but a just weight is His delight.
(Proverbs 11:1)
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honest scales are accurate & consistent ones.
dishonest scales are inaccurate &/or inconsistent ones.

as long as currency -in any form - is valuated fairly and consistently it is a 'just weight' -- which is why in Torah things were valued 'according to the temple shekel' ((e.g. Exodus 30:13)), this unit or representative 'fiat currency' being established as a regular & congruous exchange rate by the law of Moses in the Bible.

you are wrong to say that just because a currency exchange script is physically made of paper rather than some other earthly substance it is necessarily a dishonest scale; that's just factual error. and i don't see that the scripture agrees with you in any of these points?? to me it looks like you are misusing this verse ((and the other passages which similarly speak of honest measures))

 

[gaviriachristian]

Im not holding my breath for an answer.

This guy is a BUM! How he even dared to put this laughable teaching out to the public is UNBELIEVABLE. This guy has a website promoting his false doctrines, including this one. I pity the guys who actually waste time and rot their braincells reading that drivel. Just the basic premise is so laughable that I feel im stuck in an ALTERNATIVE universe, in some sort of a VACUUM. This has got to be a joke. NO WAY is this guy for real.

Let's see how much you'll be laughing in a few years when the Messiah does finally appear and condemns everyone who willingly approved of this financial system. You may ridicule me now, but I have repose that I will be avenged for this mockery, and the wrath coming against those who refused to believe and obey will be farse worse than the mockery I have to endure in this present time.