Not By Works

I reject you applying them to either of us without first showing they are yours.
You can only prove that by putting your Faith , your pisteuo, how you made your covenant with Christ on the table to be tested.

A simple request, oh, and its' a command told by Christ to do to all things.

you are dodging the question- why was the greek word for surrender not used?

Salvation process? Usually when someone says that salvation is a "process" they teach salvation by works. What happens is the 3 tenses to salvation get mixed up by works-salvationists.

1. We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin (justification)
2. We are being saved from the POWER of sin (ongoing sanctification)
3. We will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification)

It doesn’t take a degree from Stanford University to understand the things of the Spirit of God, but it does take the Holy Spirit. (1 Corinthians 2:11-14)

We don't have the Holy Spirit yet at that beginning stages. We may only be drawn or called by the Spirit of Christ, if that's how the Father calls us.

Were called, we turn, we? Take it from there!

It doesn’t take a degree from Stanford University to understand the things of the Spirit of God, but it does take the Holy Spirit. (1 Corinthians 2:11-14)

Can i ask a question?
What is the penalty of sin and can a person be in stage 2 (ongoing sanctification) and still sin?

Covenant is the 'how', God's command(law) is the 'what'. The what (God's command) was not abolished but the 'how' (covenant) has changed to a better one because now the command is in the hearts of men to judge them.

Rom 3:31Do we, then, nullify the Law by this faith? Absolutely not! Instead, we uphold the Law.

Being drawn (John 6:44, 65) leads to the beginning stage of becoming saved, which happens the moment that we believe the gospel. Ephesians 1:13 - In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise. Ephesians 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

Covenant is the 'how', God's command(law) is the 'what'. The what (God's command) was not abolished but the 'how' (covenant) has changed to a better one because now the command is in the hearts of men to judge them.

Rom 3:31Do we, then, nullify the Law by this faith? Absolutely not! Instead, we uphold the Law.

In my devotion this morning is this "summary". God doesn't want religious fanatics but spiritually "overhauled" people.

Can i ask a question?
What is the penalty of sin and can a person be in stage 2 (ongoing sanctification) and still sin?

Vine's Greek New Testment Dictionary
A1. Belief, Believe, Believers [Verb] pisteuo "to believe," also "to be persuaded of," and hence, "to place confidence in, to trust," signifies, in this sense of the word, reliance upon, not mere credence. It is most frequent in the writings of the Apostle John, especially the Gospel. He does not use the noun (see below). For the Lord's first use of the verb, see John 1:50. Of the writers of the Gospels, Matthew uses the verb ten times, Mark ten, Luke nine, John ninety-nine. In Acts 5:14 the present participle of the verb is translated "believers." See COMMIT, INTRUST, TRUST.

B1. Belief, Believe, Believers [Noun] pistis "faith," is translated "belief" in Rom 10:17; 2 Thess 2:13. Its chief significance is a conviction respecting God and His Word and the believer's relationship to Him. See ASSURANCE, FAITH, FIDELITY.

Note: In 1 Cor 9:5 the word translated "believer" (RV), is adelphe, "a sister," so 1 Cor 7:15; Rom 16:1; James 2:15, used, in the spiritual sense, of one connected by the tie of the Christian faith.

Not my thoughts.
Mr Vine's

Okay, finally someone had the guts to say it!

This is the problem with your understanding, on top of the mountain of evidence I've already built.

The point that your saying we "Believe" the gospel,
IT'S NOT OURS YET !!!!!!!!

We don't have the Spirit of Christ sealed in us yet at that beginning phase, so Christ, His word, and the promises in His word are not ours to claim or believe in. Rom.8:9

There's no such thing as believing in God's word that will result in recieving the Spirit of Christ.

I'll give you the entire definition of pisteuo from Vines, including the part you left out.

Vines expository Greek dictionary.:
The main elements in Faith, in it's relation to the invisible God, as distinct from Faith in man, are especially brought out in the use of the this noun and corresponding verb, "pisteuo". They are 1) a firm conviction, producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth. 2). A personal surrender to Him 3) a life inspired by such surrender. Prominence is given to one or the other of these elements according to the context. All this stands in contrast to BELIEF in its purely natural exercise, which consists of an opinion held in good faith without the necessary reference to it's proof. The object of Abraham's Faith was not God's promise ( that was the occasion of the excersise) His Faith rested on God Himself. Rom. 4:17,20,21

This is the exact definition of pisteuo out of the Vines Greek dictionary, word for word with nothing left out. The only time "Belief" is mentioned is when they give the same disclaimer that the Strong's gives, pisteuo means NOT just to believe!

Good grief! Stanford University has really done a number on you! Romans 8:9 does not back up your argument (just the opposite). We are sealed with the Holy Spirit the moment we believe the gospel. (Ephesians 1:13) You should never underestimate the Word of God.

John 15:3 - You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.

Ephesians 5:25 - Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word.

James 1:21 - Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.

1 Peter 1:23 - having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever.

Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Praise God!

I didn't leave anything out.

I haven't added anything either.

Now I have researched Vine's and can't find what you are saying.
In fact it says contrary to your post above.

So can you post me a link because I can't find it for love nor money.

Then maybe can go forward.

Belief, Believe, Believers - Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words



Belief, Believe, Believers

[ A-1,Verb,G4100, pisteuo ]
to believe," also "to be persuaded of," and hence, "to place confidence in, to trust," signifies, in this sense of the word, reliance upon, not mere credence. It is most frequent in the writings of the Apostle John, especially the Gospel. He does not use the noun (See below). For the Lord's first use of the verb, See John 1:50. Of the writers of the Gospels, Matthew uses the verb ten times, Mark ten, Luke nine, John ninety-nine. In Acts 5:14 the present participle of the verb is translated "believers." See COMMIT, INTRUST, TRUST.

Now I have no issues with wanting to be like Jesus.
I have no issues with asking Jesus every day to be like him, be obedient to my calling as a follower of him.

Does my obedience save me? I say no.
Do my sins negate me from heaven? I say no.
Do I use "I say no" as an excuse to sin and use the grace of God to sin.
I say NO, GOD FORBID THAT I WOULD DO SO.

It is my faith that saves me. The sin of unbelief in him which the Holy Spirit came to convince/convict me off.

So your just going to double down on the mistranslated words, and your illegitimate claim on God's Spirit, His Son, His word, and His promises?

Pretty straight forward! Your claiming the things of God when there not yours yet. Before you triple down on this path , I'm out!