Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

Yeah, I can find all kinds of things in the Bible out of context and understanding... you will need to do much, much better than that.. it is always best to start with the truth of eternal security in Christ.

Light skin you dont need to worry about my theological beliefs. I have done my research on this subject and I believe I have found the truth even though others dont believe it's true. Thanks for your kind response.

I believe this is true christianity even though a multitude disagree with me. But the Lord is with me showing me the truth and I will listen to him.

I just want to add something to my message. When I came to these truths I found, it wasnt because I wanted to follow a bunch of theological ideas. It was because I was searching for the truth comparing what I was taught in OSAS to the bible. So when I was looking for the truth I didn't think about theology. I didnt even know much about it. But years down the track I was doing some research about the truths I found. I compared OSAS to scriptures In my bible and could see they didnt match up. Also when in OSAS I always felt confused about what I believed and couldn't make sense about how I could be free from sin, because the beliefs I applied from OSAS didnt help me change or be like christ. I also couldn't understand why the holy spirit didnt deliver me from my sins for years while in OSAS. So this is how I changed gospels.

My mother found the website evangelical outreach because she couldn't understand why my father was a OSAS Christian, stopped using drugs. Then started using drugs turned from God and didnt want to know God anymore. So my mother was confused. If my husband is guaranteed salvation why doesn't he want to be a Christian anymore. So she was asking questions, I was asking questions and the answer we both found is OSAS isnt biblical.

So many may say I am deceived but I just cant follow OSAS anymore. Because to me I couldn't find the solution of how to change. I was In despair looking for a way out. While in OSAS people would make out like I was okay with God without following his will. One day I read my bible and it convicted me, so I threw it across my bedroom in anger. I wasnt okay living In sin and being a Christian. I was confused and messed up. I also thought it was ok to get in a relationship with a Muslim. But I was convicted that it was wrong, but I still ignored God and Got consequences for it. I never preached the gospel in OSAS. I never had a desire too. My favorite preachers were David Wilkinson, Carter Conlin and Dr Charles Stanley- I found out Dr Charles standley says weeping and nashing are In heaven. I felt church was nothing but a social club and most the sermons I listened to were boring and alot didn't even make sense. I couldn't wait for the church services to finish. Right now I do not attend church, the only person I have to fellowship is my mother because I said goodbye to all my OSAS friends a few years ago. I just felt like God wasn't in these Churches. How can I come back to such a belief system where I felt no peace. Many will say how can you say you have no peace with guaranteed salvation. Well I needed to be free from my sins, and I would cry constantly, feeling like I just didnt want to live against God, but I felt helpless. All my decisions against Gods will were having an impact on my life. The consequences I had for so many things, would shock some people. I actually shouldn't be alive because of the many dangerous situations I put my self in. So this is why I see the importance of HOLY LIVING because I have seen the consequences of UNHOLY LIVING. When you do so many wrong things you start to feel like a horrible person. When I Obey God, my life is more peaceful. Not too say I dont still have problems but if I didn't care about any of the bible. Right now I would probably be
*In an abusive relationship.
*Prison
*Dead
*Mental hospital

Because in my life i have had alot of problems and I would find others with the same problems. These people are not In a good place right now.
So the reason I have stayed out of alot of trouble so far is because I am trying to apply the bible to my life.
This doesn't mean I haven't had temptations to fall into sin. There are moments when I have stumbled and fallen. But I just try again, with the help of God. Do I think I will lose my salvation all the time NO. I dont think that. I just believe we need to live in accordance with Gods word. Because I have seen the consequences of not following his word.

You can get yourself into situations you wish you never entered.

I just want to add something to my message. When I came to these truths I found, it wasnt because I wanted to follow a bunch of theological ideas. It was because I was searching for the truth comparing what I was taught in OSAS to the bible. So when I was looking for the truth I didn't think about theology. I didnt even know much about it. But years down the track I was doing some research about the truths I found. I compared OSAS to scriptures In my bible and could see they didnt match up. Also when in OSAS I always felt confused about what I believed and couldn't make sense about how I could be free from sin, because the beliefs I applied from OSAS didnt help me change or be like christ. I also couldn't understand why the holy spirit didnt deliver me from my sins for years while in OSAS. So this is how I changed gospels.

My mother found the website evangelical outreach because she couldn't understand why my father was a OSAS Christian, stopped using drugs. Then started using drugs turned from God and didnt want to know God anymore. So my mother was confused. If my husband is guaranteed salvation why doesn't he want to be a Christian anymore. So she was asking questions, I was asking questions and the answer we both found is OSAS isnt biblical.

So many may say I am deceived but I just cant follow OSAS anymore. Because to me I couldn't find the solution of how to change. I was In despair looking for a way out. While in OSAS people would make out like I was okay with God without following his will. One day I read my bible and it convicted me, so I threw it across my bedroom in anger. I wasnt okay living In sin and being a Christian. I was confused and messed up. I also thought it was ok to get in a relationship with a Muslim. But I was convicted that it was wrong, but I still ignored God and Got consequences for it. I never preached the gospel in OSAS. I never had a desire too. My favorite preachers were David Wilkinson, Carter Conlin and Dr Charles Stanley- I found out Dr Charles standley says weeping and nashing are In heaven. I felt church was nothing but a social club and most the sermons I listened to were boring and alot didn't even make sense. I couldn't wait for the church services to finish. Right now I do not attend church, the only person I have to fellowship is my mother because I said goodbye to all my OSAS friends a few years ago. I just felt like God wasn't in these Churches. How can I come back to such a belief system where I felt no peace. Many will say how can you say you have no peace with guaranteed salvation. Well I needed to be free from my sins, and I would cry constantly, feeling like I just didnt want to live against God, but I felt helpless. All my decisions against Gods will were having an impact on my life. The consequences I had for so many things, would shock some people. I actually shouldn't be alive because of the many dangerous situations I put my self in. So this is why I see the importance of HOLY LIVING because I have seen the consequences of UNHOLY LIVING. When you do so many wrong things you start to feel like a horrible person. When I Obey God, my life is more peaceful. Not too say I dont still have problems but if I didn't care about any of the bible. Right now I would probably be
*In an abusive relationship.
*Prison
*Dead
*Mental hospital

Because in my life i have had alot of problems and I would find others with the same problems. These people are not In a good place right now.
So the reason I have stayed out of alot of trouble so far is because I am trying to apply the bible to my life.
This doesn't mean I haven't had temptations to fall into sin. There are moments when I have stumbled and fallen. But I just try again, with the help of God. Do I think I will lose my salvation all the time NO. I dont think that. I just believe we need to live in accordance with Gods word. Because I have seen the consequences of not following his word.

You can get yourself into situations you wish you never entered.

My father's friend from OSAS didnt stop using Drugs even though he was "saved" . This man used to come to my mum and dads house with his child. He also came to church with us all the time.

Then I saw him in the city walk past and he was homeless and on meth. So if the holy spirit did all the work according to OSAS why didnt it work In my dad or dads friend. As well as myself and my mother and many other people. How come many of us came to salvation and had our lives turn worse after salvation. Wasn't the spirit in OSAS supposed to sanctify us to make us like Christ. Well that didnt happen for many people.😭

Mmhhh, the OSAS team will say that he was never truly saved to begin with so i guess one can only know that they are saved at the very end during judgement. But it doesn't matter.

Mmhhh, the OSAS team will say that he was never truly saved to begin with so i guess one can only know that they are saved at the very end during judgement. But it doesn't matter.

Like people in OSAS can say anything they like in conversation, they can gossip etc. But a person who drinks or uses drugs inst a Christian and was never saved to begin with.
A perfect example is a OSAS believer i had a coffee with a few years ago. He wanted to be my friend. But I couldn't because of my beliefs.

This man told his friend a OSAS believer if he doesnt stop using drugs he will go to hell. Then he has come out and been honest on social media saying he's into erotic stuff and was posting porn on the internet. Before that he had photos of provocative women on a photography page.

So this person can go to heaven and someone that uses drugs cant. It doesn't sound fair to me. Alot of these people are like that. Isnt this self righteousness in itself.

You know what at least by what I follow now all believers are treated equally.

My advice, it is love for others that matters; meaning, you don't need to hate or separate yourself from your OSAS friends because of their ideas.

My advice, it is love for others that matters; meaning, you don't need to hate or separate yourself from your OSAS friends because of their ideas.

Like people in OSAS can say anything they like in conversation, they can gossip etc. But a person who drinks or uses drugs inst a Christian and was never saved to begin with.
A perfect example is a OSAS believer i had a coffee with a few years ago. He wanted to be my friend. But I couldn't because of my beliefs.

This man told his friend a OSAS believer if he doesnt stop using drugs he will go to hell. Then he has come out and been honest on social media saying he's into erotic stuff and was posting porn on the internet. Before that he had photos of provocative women on a photography page.

So this person can go to heaven and someone that uses drugs cant. It doesn't sound fair to me. Alot of these people are like that. Isnt this self righteousness in itself.

You know what at least by what I follow now all believers are treated equally.

Noose I dont hate people because I chose to fellowship with those of my own doctrine. As you can see we dont see eye to eye on the bible.

Doesn't matter, we are no different from these people. Christ died for such and we are required to have the same mind that Christ for while we were still ungodly and enemies, He showed love and died for us.

Noose I am talking about double standards within OSAS

I don't hate my ex friends at all. I just want to fellowship with those who are of "one mind". This is because I have experienced quite alot of hateful comments from those in OSAS. Alot of them call me judgmental just for not accepting their doctrine. This is even off the internet. You give a gospel phamplet to some OSAS believers and they are rude to you. OSAS believers called security on my mother for preaching the gospel. So how can I be friends with them. Many hate those who dont follow OSAS and call them deceivers, pharasees, work salvationists. Etc.

Noose I am talking about double standards within OSAS

I don't hate my ex friends at all. I just want to fellowship with those who are of "one mind". This is because I have experienced quite alot of hateful comments from those in OSAS. Alot of them call me judgmental just for not accepting their doctrine. This is even off the internet. You give a gospel phamplet to some OSAS believers and they are rude to you. OSAS believers called security on my mother for preaching the gospel. So how can I be friends with them. Many hate those who dont follow OSAS and call them deceivers, pharasees, work salvationists.....

I just want to add that their are many OSAS believers who don't view others sins worse than theirs and they are accepting toward the gospel of conditional security. Many can have a civil conversation with you about their beliefs. Some feel the need to directly "attack", but some can talk about their beliefs civilly. I guess that goes for both sides doesnt it.

And when I say OSAS is a doctrine to promote a license for immorality its because of my experience. So if I made some feel attacked by my comments. I just want to say it's the doctrine I was attacking and not you personally. Many people dont think OSAS is promoting a license for immorality, but I have seen differently. If we think we are guaranteed enteral life and think we can sin all we want and still enter eternal life. Is that promoting a license for immorality?

You who reads this may not think that, but many do.....

I've noticed that those who relentlessly attack the OSAS doctrine the most are those who teach salvation by works and I have also noticed that ALL false religions and cults teach salvation by works and strongly disagree with OSAS, which has always been a red flag for me!