Is unconditional election biblical?

I wonder how many would agree with the 'doctrines of grace' as they are called IF they didnt know it was "Calvinism"

Everyone can research the Scriptures I provided themselves. It's very obvious that God does elect, and the basis isn't "foreseen faith" like free-willers claim.

There you go using the pejorative "free-willers" while objecting to derogatory comments about Reformed Theology.

The true teaching on divine election is that God elects the ones who will obey the Gospel (and be justified) to be perfected -- "conformed to the image of His Son". That is included in the glorification of the saints.

For whom he did foreknow
he also did predestinate
to be conformed to the image of his Son,
that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate,
them he also called:
and whom he called, them he also justified:
and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Back to people conceiving and birthing themselves.

Who has ever made this claim?

Again with the "mustering"
You know faith a small a mustard can do the trick....

I guess we can dispense with the four gospels and most of the letters when Jesus could have just stated a few words...

""You have no will or ability to believe in me because your mind is so, so depraved you have lost all ability to use reason, but no worries I will do the believing for my selected ones."

Ah.... We're back to dead people making a choice to be saved. Back to people conceiving and birthing themselves. Back to people mustering the faith to believe from their OWN inner being, instead of recognizing the faith as a gift from God, and thanking and giving HIM the glory for it.

This is a misrepresentation of non-Reformed beliefs. Every person who obeyed the Gospel made a CONSCIOUS DECISION (including you). And God demands a conscious decision as we see in Scripture (Acts 2:37,28).

AFTER CONVICTION A DECISION MUST BE MADE
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

THE GOSPEL DEMANDS REPENTANCE AND FAITH
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Dear sister...…….about being foreknown and predestined. People seem to be disabled from understanding that from this age, when we repent we are foreknown by our Father, and predestined, again, from this age, to be with Him forever.

It is quite possible that the "elect" are elected when they repent of this age and material existence and turn to the true, living kingdom yet to come. In this regarde our repentence makes us foreknow by the Father, predestined from this age, and elected due to our repentence and giving all glory to Jesus, Yeshua.


If you are indeed simple, then I must be a super idiot for all you have posted makes perfect sense to me. Keep up you good works given you by the Father. You certainly edify me. God bless you always….

Hello Charlirenee..…...….I hope you read my post AFTER I corrected it. I typed the lasst par with my hand off of the home row and it was jibberish the first time..

Who has ever made this claim?

Again with the "mustering"
You know faith a small a mustard can do the trick....

I guess we can dispense with the four gospels and most of the letters when Jesus could have just stated a few words...

""You have no will or ability to believe in me because your mind is so, so depraved you have lost all ability to use reason, but no worries I will do the believing for my selected ones."

I havent read ALL the posts yet so I APOLOGIZE for possibly RUNNING AT THE MOUTH without taking all things you said into consideration. BUT I just want to say this, its on my heart:

As I have said a thousand times on here, but I will say it again since you're new on the block, MOST Christians I know, work with, live with, grew up with are pentecostals. Traditionally speaking you would say this is an ARMINIAN belief system, but the ones I know from those churches do BELIEVE in God-centered salvation they just dont know what to call it! They have agreed with me as I have gone through the verses with them and would say AMEN. No problems going through verses like, all them believed who were appointed to eternal life. ETC!

Matthew 19:25-26
25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.


Faith is a gift and a blessing of God.

Salvation is a gift from God

I'll admit that I am a simple woman but these thoughts come to mind...

Unconditional election points to extreme arrogance... it points to one thinking God, the One who has no favorites, picks you, regardless anything.

Unconditional election would have me always wondering if I was one of the chosen, knowing no matter what, it is a miss and hit scenario and there is no amount of repentance that can save me, if I am not elect. How do you know for sure you are elect, only God is all knowing?

Unconditional election leaves one pondering.. if everything is already fixed, why bother with this argument, this thread, praying or evangelism?

Unconditional election makes our all loving God and His choice to give His only begotten Son not so loving after all. In fact, it seems to make that heavenly selfless action a waste of time. Those who are elected are saved before and after His sacrifice of atonement. God elected, nothing has any bearing right, it is unconditional?

I don't know where the line is, and I agree Salvation is the Lords, that He gets all credit. I know He foreknew and predestined, I can't deny that passage.

But I can not deny John 3:16 either and other verses that point to Him wanting all of us saved.

I just want to spend more time pointing to Him, talking about Him and His love for us all, rather to spend great amount of time and energy focusing on His elect or to the doctrine of unconditional election. He is more than His clay and His creation, so much more.

So often it seems folks are so much more interested in their belief systems rather than in Him. He is way, only Him.

Maybe I just do not understand enough yet, but I pray my focus will always be Him!